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Post by Dolphin on Aug 11, 2013 13:07:24 GMT -6
right, sometimes too much analysis gets in the way...relax, enjoy the ride, I say. I used to be an X Phile in a big way. I would get frustrated with people, one was a scientist friend of mine, who would over analyze and try an pick up apart this fictional show. (She was actually a fan of the show ... she was a stickler for facts and continuity ... kind of impossible when there are multiple writers and directors on a long running show with a writers strike, one of the stars leaving, lawsuits, etc.) I would say the same thing ... relax, enjoy. It is entertainment. I feel the same about Justified. And at least Justified seems to be one, happy bunch. Win-win for us!
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Post by ripetebook on Aug 12, 2013 8:32:24 GMT -6
Long In The Tooth: I was not sure on this one initially but have come to love it. We got to see Rachel and Raylan working together and sense her resentment...that the "good looking white boy with a shitload of swagger" went to the front of the line...when in Raylan's eyes...he is good at being a marshal. But he calls her on being too willing to let him go the front.... You could see as the episode played out...she could see his "gifts" that he can communicate on a warm level and threaten with that gun. I have always loved his "backseat" visits...even miss them in later seasons. It sort of says "you thought you had me or the upper hand...surprise!!!!!" The end with the hat is a classic scene of the mellowing of their relationship...maybe trust began at that point. He was still that good looking man with swagger but he was also a good marshal...had his way...and the hat defined the man...and she was opening up to trust him. The story of the ice cream and Rollie escaping is so Raylan...he trusted Rollie and Rollie lied. Loved when he caught up...that talk about the dentist and the elf and......Just a cool episode.
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Post by andiiv on Aug 12, 2013 8:45:55 GMT -6
I have to say that, although this episode is by no means a favourite of mine, it does contain my favourite Justified scene ever. This being the 'High Noon' style shootout on the desert road (lifted almost literally from 'Pronto', by the way, although in the book it took place on an Italian mountain side). That absolutely epitomised Raylan and his old-west style methods. I also loved the following scenes where he's tracking the dentist through the desert in an increasing state of undress. Phew!!
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Post by ripetebook on Aug 12, 2013 9:52:33 GMT -6
I forgot about the slow undress he went thru...undressed Raylan is my idea of heaven.
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Post by weegieburd on Aug 12, 2013 10:02:11 GMT -6
I will watch this one tonight and savour the undressing scenes!
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Post by ripetebook on Aug 12, 2013 10:13:38 GMT -6
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Post by wkw99 on Aug 13, 2013 12:35:12 GMT -6
Wow...I am the first to post on 'Lord of War and Thunder'. I'm shocked.
I had forgotten that this one gives us our first interaction between Raylan and Aunt Helen, and Raylan and Arlo. But before we get to them, we see Raylan on a stakeout with Rachel. Watching the wife's house for a fugitive to show up. Art thinks it's time to give up, but Raylan wants to give it another try. So he goes 'undercover' as a gardener. A day's worth of hard labor doesn't get him his man, but it does get him a backrub (and more) from Miss Ava. Their tryst is interrupted by a phone call, which Ava ignores until after (can you blame her?). Turns out the call is for Raylan and it's from Aunt Helen, who wants him to bail his daddy out of jail. Off he goes to Harlan, while Ava goes to the courthouse for her deposition with Vasquez and a certain court reporter who recuses herself as soon as she can but asks Vasquez not to tell Ava why.
Manwhile...down in Harlan...Arlo has stolen drugs from the guy renting Helen's old place. The guy wants his drugs back, naturally, so while Arlo is being bailed out, he and his 'cousins' go to Arlo's, bang the place up and rough up Aunt Helen. Raylan knows Arlo is up to something, but he's more concerned with his fugitive, so he goes back undercover. This time he gets him, while Arlo goes after the goons who beat up Helen and beats them with a ball bat, giving himself a heart attack in the process. Whew.
I need a nap. LOL. I'm going to post this now and come back later to finish up.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 13, 2013 13:20:21 GMT -6
Episode 04S1: Long in the Tooth
Yay! I first noticed Cameron (Alan Ruck as Roland Pike) from one of my favorite movies, ‘Ferris Buehler’s Day Off!’
I did not love the gruesome tooth pulling scene. Disgusting.
Yay! We get a little of Art in this episode. From the conversation between Art and Raylan, we find out Rollie Pike and Raylan have a history and that Pike is tied to the Detroit Mafia.
LOVED the road trip to Los Angeles with Rachel and Raylan … with Rachel in charge.
We (and Rachel) got to hear an embarrassing marshal story about Ray-Ray losing Rollie Pike after taking him into Witsec and lost him while he left Rollie watching Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer television special to go and get himself an ice cream.
Later, seeing Raylan in Los Angeles on the cable news, the Miami Mafia show up looking for both Pike and Raylan. And we hear the name of their boss, Geo, for the first time.
Yay! Clarence Williams III of ‘The Mod Squad’ is also in this episode!
I found the whole part where Rollie escapes with his receptionist, Mindy, to be very slow and laborious to watch. I did not love it.
Favorite Scenes:
1. Both scenes with Raylan and Rachel in the car together. Love Rachel. She’s smart, not a pushover. She doesn’t take any crap off of Raylan. In this episode, she doesn’t really know or trust him. By the end, when she tries on his hat, she has more respect for him. She may have been the marshal on point, but Raylan drove the case all the way. Raylan has an ease with people, and a way with them too, that Rachel does not have.
2. The choreographed shootouts of the Mafia guys, Frank and Joe, and the final shoot out in the desert where Rollie Pike decides he’s tired of running (but really knows the Mexican border sniper will kill him and then, Mindy.)
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Post by weegieburd on Aug 13, 2013 14:44:10 GMT -6
Long in the Tooth I liked the scene where Rachel realises how good Raylan is, when they are in the Mexican family's house and Raylan is questioning the old man. Of course I also liked the treck through the dessert when Raylan has to "loosen off" some of his clothes and shows off his assets. The two car scenes are very well done with both Tim and Erika on top form.
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Post by motorcitymade on Aug 14, 2013 6:21:58 GMT -6
I wish they would have had Raylan fumble through some Spanish with the family only to have the them him the Gringo; please look and switch to English.
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Post by lbookie on Aug 14, 2013 9:11:34 GMT -6
This episode was the one where I realized I was hooked on Justified. I love the drama peppered with humor. "The little gay dude?! Rolan, is there something you want to tell me?" Cracked me up. That's life you know? It cant be all drama 100% of the time.
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Post by weegieburd on Aug 14, 2013 9:19:59 GMT -6
I loved that conversation too ibookie
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 15, 2013 2:47:50 GMT -6
I wish they would have had Raylan fumble through some Spanish with the family only to have the them him the Gringo; please look and switch to English. That would been AWESOME! Or at least had him speak a little Spanish with this Kentucky accent. That, alone would have Spanglished it up.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 15, 2013 2:53:14 GMT -6
Episode 05S1: The Lord of War and Thunder
After the Pilot, this was (and still is) my favorite episode so far in Season 1. It was jam-packed with story lines, but not overly so.
I LOVED the stakeout assignment with Rachel, and we got to see some more of Art, too, which is never a bad thing. The idea of getting a warrant based on beer consumption tickled my fancy. Great dialog. (Could you imagine being Rachel and surveying Raylan all day undercover doing sweaty yard work? Yowza!)
We finally met the mysterious Arlo Givens and found out why Raylan didn’t want anything to do with him. We were also introduced to Helen Givens and Sheriff Hunter Mosely for the first time. Arlo gets himself arrested so that Raylan can bail him out.
Raylan reminded Ava that what they did in Harlan, stayed in Harlan. NOT. We see him in the next scene with Ava on top doing a wild cat number on him. Not only is TO a hunk in the first bed/sex scene we see him in, I had noticed before that Joelle Carter has the prettiest back and shoulders.
LOVE all the scenes between Raylan and Helen. These two actors just flow. (Same for future scenes.)
Love the scene where Winona inadvertently meets Ava for the first time.
We saw the three gravestones at the house for Raylan’s mother, Arlo, and Raylan (creepy) for the first time, too.
Gosh, I miss Arlo and Helen. There was some great banter between them, too. Arlo wasn’t quite so bad when Helen was there to reign him in.
Favorite scenes:
1) ALL the scenes with Raylan and Helen. That last scene with Helen and Raylan just blew me away. Excellent work on both their parts. My favorite scene by far. It was so sad, the reveal, to find out how criminal Raylan’s family really was and learning all the Stan Perkins trouble was just a big hoax … that they would totally use their own kin, Arlo’s own son, to illegally make a few bucks.
2) A few of Arlo scenes. The one where Arlo told a young nurse a bad joke and then, introduces the doctor to his US Marshal, son. There was the unstated pride of a father for his son in that scene. And then, the next scene with Arlo in the hospital and Raylan lying to him, telling him it’s good to see him, too. These humanized Arlo and showed that he had some charm in his gift of gab, not unlike his son’s. And the one when Raylan discovers that his father was involved in drug trafficking.
3) The scene where Raylan goes back to the Indian Line house to confront Stan Perkins. We learn from Raylan a lot about his childhood, growing up in that house. Masterful way to give us details.
4) The scene where we’re introduced to Johnny Crowder. We saw TO’s baseball prowess, too. And learned he was number 25 in high school. We learned the house on Indian Line, rented to Stan Perkins, was Helen’s old house. We learn about Hillbilly Heroin trade (oxycontin) in Harlan County. And we also learn that Bo Crowder will be getting out prison soon, and that Ava needs to get herself out of Kentucky.
Superficial, BUT I also just want to comment that I LOVE Raylan’s hair in this episode.
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Post by ripetebook on Aug 15, 2013 9:11:22 GMT -6
Lord of War and Thunder: OMG I loved this one for so many reasons. Can't even count how many times I watched it. The opening of Raylan and Ava on the hood of the car...her rubbing his shoulders and the talk that what they shared in Harlan....stays in Harlan...ha ha. Raylan easily caves to Ava's desires and that scene in the motel room...pure yummy. Then as we see that we also see Arlo smashing Stan Perkins..things and then Stan's nut sack...great intro to Arlo. All the lead up over the first 4 episodes were true. Then we see Raylan and Helen...his aunt not his step mother...makes a point of that one. Loved that familiar banter...especially why she called Ava and her reply "you both shot a Crowder in her dining room" that was classic. And Helen acted more wife in sending son to bail father out..money being a maybe issue. Then we have that great Raylan and Arlo scene in the jail and the drive home. And the creepy grave stones...which is our first and only Frances died in 2000. (And Blooper alert: Raylan mentions they were in the yard when he was growing up but in season 4 we learned he only lived in that house from age 15-19 when he left.) And as the episode proceeds we see Raylan's gift for figuring out his old man's crimes...the walk thru that house talking about his childhood..OMG Arlo beat him. That was the shock for me...that Raylan was abused and yet grew up to be a good man. I could never see Raylan striking his child or his woman in anger. Then the end: his talk with Helen...we see how her working with Arlo cuts him to the core as says....and then he stands at the graves...at his...and we see how haunted he is by that one stone...it is the first time we really see that gift TO has for expressing deep emotion without a word.
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Post by weegieburd on Aug 15, 2013 17:02:15 GMT -6
Loved this episode, Raylan never looked as hot as he does in this one.
Love the interaction between him and Arlo
Love the sexy scenes with Ava
Love his relationship with Helen
The scene I particularly liked was at the hospital when he was unravelling the IV lines at Arlo's bedside.
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Post by motorcitymade on Aug 15, 2013 19:38:04 GMT -6
Wasn't it interesting that Arlo wasn't a perfectly terrible character at his introduction. I think the writer's weren't sure where they would take him. Hard to believe that the man who's last words were Kiss My Ass.
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Post by mare27 on Aug 15, 2013 20:42:16 GMT -6
Loved this episode! SO many good threads running thru this...loved the "undercover" job...why couldn't he knock and my door and offer to do yard work! (Every yard in the world could use a little work!) With Ava sitting on the hood of the car, loved the dialog, "bet you're hoping for a happy ending"...and loved the motel scene that followed. Now we've met Arlo and Helen and lots of details of the past are introduced...I also loved the scene where Raylan fixed the IV wires and their conversation...you'd never know what an ass Arlo was from that brief moment...and really liked Raylan's hair here, yes I'm shallow...but he looked wonderful. And "touring" Helen's old house, remembering the old days, that was a sweet scene..." I watched Rawhide and Have Gun Will Travel, right there"...and of course finding the drugs and realizing what Arlo was up to..."is a part of you just disappointed, that you raised such an idiot?" and "one of the things my Aunt Helen taught me, along with how to talk to a girl and how to order food in a nice restaurant, was how to spot a lie"... the writers were really on the mark in this episode, so much wonderful dialog. I was really hooked after seeing this one episode originally...oh and telling the nephews to "lie down on their tummies", that killed me. This one was a lot of fun to see again. And I love reading all your comments too. this exercise has made waiting for S5 bearable!
( Oh and I keep seeing references to S4 DVD being released, when I am cruising around the net, I assume I am correct that they are referring to release in the UK, without any extras? My Amazon pre-order still says there is no known release date. )
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Post by mare27 on Aug 15, 2013 20:47:03 GMT -6
oh, right motorcity, we could not tell that Arlo was the SOB he turned out to be , by this intro. And Dolphin, I forgot the baseball scene, intro of Johnny Crowder- that was terrific! This episode was crammed full - like 10 pounds of potatoes in a 5 pound sack!
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Post by mare27 on Aug 15, 2013 20:50:33 GMT -6
Helen was wonderful too...what a fine actress. She is greatly missed on the show. Raylan and Helen shared some amazing scenes.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 15, 2013 22:32:07 GMT -6
Loved this episode! SO many good threads running thru this...loved the "undercover" job...why couldn't he knock and my door and offer to do yard work! (Every yard in the world could use a little work!) With Ava sitting on the hood of the car, loved the dialog, "bet you're hoping for a happy ending"...and loved the motel scene that followed. Now we've met Arlo and Helen and lots of details of the past are introduced...I also loved the scene where Raylan fixed the IV wires and their conversation...you'd never know what an ass Arlo was from that brief moment...and really liked Raylan's hair here, yes I'm shallow...but he looked wonderful. And "touring" Helen's old house, remembering the old days, that was a sweet scene..." I watched Rawhide and Have Gun Will Travel, right there"...and of course finding the drugs and realizing what Arlo was up to..."is a part of you just disappointed, that you raised such an idiot?" and "one of the things my Aunt Helen taught me, along with how to talk to a girl and how to order food in a nice restaurant, was how to spot a lie"... the writers were really on the mark in this episode, so much wonderful dialog. I was really hooked after seeing this one episode originally...oh and telling the nephews to "lie down on their tummies", that killed me. This one was a lot of fun to see again. And I love reading all your comments too. this exercise has made waiting for S5 bearable! ( Oh and I keep seeing references to S4 DVD being released, when I am cruising around the net, I assume I am correct that they are referring to release in the UK, without any extras? My Amazon pre-order still says there is no known release date. ) Yes! That was awesome when Raylan told those guys to lie down on their tummies. OMGosh. What would I do if Raylan Givens knocked on my door and wanted to do a little yardwork? What a fantasy!!
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Post by siss13 on Aug 16, 2013 21:59:05 GMT -6
Wasn't it interesting that Arlo wasn't a perfectly terrible character at his introduction. I think the writer's weren't sure where they would take him. Hard to believe that the man who's last words were Kiss My Ass.Very interesting indeed. The whole scene with Raylan taking care of Arlo in the hospital made me feel kind of sad, considering there was no resolution between father and son when Arlo died in season 4. I wish we could have seen more tender moments between the two characters.
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Post by kmmo on Aug 17, 2013 10:40:02 GMT -6
I started back to work last week (school started on Wednesday), so I haven’t been able to watch with you all. I’m planning to watch a few episodes this weekend, since my husband is at work today and Sunday. I’ve enjoyed reading some of this thread and your comments on the first season so far.
Some of my favorite parts of The Lord of War and Thunder:
“Drive around, drink coffee, yell at people” Love that line.
Aunt Helen trying to get Raylan to take responsibility for the father he doesn’t want anything to do with. Sad. I thought it was interesting that Helen knew what was going on with Raylan (“you both shot a Crowder in Ava’s house”). Everybody knows everybody else’s business in a small town.
Arlo doesn’t seem surprised to see Raylan at the jail. His first words to his son “I like the hat”. Arlo telling his bullshit jokes to the nurse and then ogling her- Raymond Barry is great. I love the way he says “booolshit”.
Raylan’s first visit back to his family home was sad. It is in disrepair. Does he feel a little bit of responsibility for not helping his father and aunt over the years?
I would love to have that man working in my yard. He needs to take off that flannel shirt though. I’d make sure to offer him many, many glasses of water.
Tim looks so good in this episode. His hair is perfect.
I loved Raylans’ memories of escaping to Helen’s house- we get to see that glimpse of him as a boy. Family can be so complicated, and so screwed up.
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Post by ripetebook on Aug 17, 2013 12:39:20 GMT -6
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Post by mare27 on Aug 17, 2013 18:45:40 GMT -6
I didn't think about that, that Helen was now "aligned" with Arlo, who treated Raylan so bad growing up. Helen gave him the means to get out of town and be better than Arlo; he probably was very disappointed that his aunt then married his dad.
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