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Post by Dolphin on Aug 5, 2013 17:51:59 GMT -6
I have some experience in pay/compensation in the private and non-profit sectors, but not for the Marshal Service. In general, the Feds pay by regional zones. I'm guessing Kentucky has got to be at or near the bottom of the barrel in terms of pay ... but it also has a lower cost of living than Miami, where Raylan last worked. He probably has some standing in pay grade based on his years of experience. I would guess he'd make more than Tim or Rachel ... not tons more, but more. I wouldn't doubt it if Raylan was held back on a promotion in pay grade, several times as andiiv mentions, because of his many 'escapades.' (Not to mention the recession, pay/hiring freezes.) I'm glad to hear he gets per diem, a car, fuel costs, etc. LOL I was worried about him.
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Post by mondayschild on Aug 5, 2013 21:55:58 GMT -6
All I can tell you is that I support myself and my 13 room house, yard and pond on a similar monthly income. Since I have arthritis, I am limited in how much of the work I can do.I hire out mowing, lawn treatments, pruning of large trees and shrubs, pond maintenance, and a cleaning lady once a month. My taxes are enormous. I do what I can do, but a lot of people help me and are paid accordingly. If I can do this, Raylan should be able to have a little cottage somewhere with a picket fence instead of a room over a bar where he has to provide security in exchange for rent. I know he is trying to save in order to support Palmolive, but he has just about no expenses and an income of about $4400 a month plus benes. It just doesn't compute.
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Post by weegieburd on Aug 6, 2013 1:34:35 GMT -6
I just watched Riverbrook last night....I can't think of anything to say....I can still only think of him in his vest and a fine pair of shoulders..............
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 6, 2013 2:12:48 GMT -6
All I can tell you is that I support myself and my 13 room house, yard and pond on a similar monthly income. Since I have arthritis, I am limited in how much of the work I can do.I hire out mowing, lawn treatments, pruning of large trees and shrubs, pond maintenance, and a cleaning lady once a month. My taxes are enormous. I do what I can do, but a lot of people help me and are paid accordingly. If I can do this, Raylan should be able to have a little cottage somewhere with a picket fence instead of a room over a bar where he has to provide security in exchange for rent. I know he is trying to save in order to support Palmolive, but he has just about no expenses and an income of about $4400 a month plus benes. It just doesn't compute. He probably takes home about 1/3 less for taxes, as he's single and has no, or very few, deductions. Kentucky has both State Income and Sales Tax. But still ... that's a lot of disposable income leftover, and he's only been saving for Palmolive for a matter of months. He let Helen keep the bail money he put up for Arlo as a 'belated wedding gift.' He owns few clothes, a few nice pieces. He's a workaholic who doesn't take vacations or time off. He doesn't spend his money hanging out at Audrey's. His idea of a date is shooting pool or spending time in the bedroom. His vices we've been shown are a bottle of whiskey, coffee (which he has been getting coffee and whiskey free from the bar or coffee from work), and the occasional vanilla ice cream. It is fun trying to psych him out. I figure he's got to have a pretty good chunk of change in savings or something. He doesn't seem to be the investment type.
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Post by mare27 on Aug 6, 2013 16:46:35 GMT -6
I was thinking last night, after I watched "The Fixer"- have we really seen any indication of Raylan being the "the angriest man" to quote Winona. In these first three episodes, I don't think so...maybe it won't come out until he is around Arlo...I sort of assume that Arlo is the source of his anger...although I am not sure about that. He seems pretty good natured for the most part. What made me think of this is ART's comment to Raylan about Arlo having a bad temper and "good thing he didn't pass that on"..."isn't it though" replies Raylan. what do you think?
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Post by mare27 on Aug 6, 2013 17:20:18 GMT -6
weegie- by vest, you mean the white undershirt? I agree, nice shoulders!
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 6, 2013 23:37:24 GMT -6
I was thinking last night, after I watched "The Fixer"- have we really seen any indication of Raylan being the "the angriest man" to quote Winona. In these first three episodes, I don't think so...maybe it won't come out until he is around Arlo...I sort of assume that Arlo is the source of his anger...although I am not sure about that. He seems pretty good natured for the most part. What made me think of this is ART's comment to Raylan about Arlo having a bad temper and "good thing he didn't pass that on"..."isn't it though" replies Raylan. what do you think? I thought we got a glimpse of Raylan's hair-trigger temper in the Pilot when he pops Dewey Crowe against the steering wheel for shooting off his smart mouth and then, pops Dewey in the face again when he's in the backseat of Dewey's car with Devil, once again, mouthing off. Raylan pops Dewey a third time in the nose in "Riverbrook," but Dewey totally asked for it that time by trying to escape.
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Post by weegieburd on Aug 7, 2013 1:18:27 GMT -6
Dewey never learns does he! That is probably what Winona means about hidig it well....on the surface he looks calm and good natured but lurking just beneath is a volcano!
Yes mare we say vest (I hate the expression "wifebeater") and for your vest we say waistcoat.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 7, 2013 8:58:56 GMT -6
Dewey never learns does he! That is probably what Winona means about hidig it well....on the surface he looks calm and good natured but lurking just beneath is a volcano! Maybe that's what being professionally trained with a gun does for Raylan. Makes him have to control his hair trigger urges. And his hair trigger temper may be what makes him so fast on the draw.
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Post by weegieburd on Aug 7, 2013 9:00:28 GMT -6
Could well be!
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Post by mare27 on Aug 7, 2013 9:08:01 GMT -6
hi Dolphin- you're right about Raylan and Dewey...He did provoke some quick reactions didn't he? And I guess I forgot about the line from Winona, "you hide it well" I enjoyed the Fixer, although I really hated that Travis Travers! what a scumbag! The ending with Ava, after being shot in the chest (bullet proof vest on)was interesting...in the pool playing scene earlier with Ava, I had the notion that Raylan was NOT going to pursue her, by his body language and explanation..."as soon as I can get re-assigned, I'm outta here" I though he might keep his distance, but then a brush with death changed things, I think.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 7, 2013 9:50:16 GMT -6
Episode 03S1: The Fixer
It's been long enough to post the next episode?.
Loved the Rachel and Tim banter in handing over Arnold Pinter the snitch to Raylan, the new guy.
Of course, I immediately recognized David Eigenberg as Pinter. He was good!
Loved that there was no honor among thieves as the reward money Raylan was going to leave with Curtis Mims for Pinter quickly went from $20,000 to $5,000.
LOVED the choreography used in the shooting between Pinter, Travers, and Raylan … including Raylan’s signature 3 shot pattern to the chest (through the door).
Favorite Scenes:
1. Tiny’s arrest was an unexpected riot.
2. Raylan and Ava shooting pool and shooting the shit. We learned how Raylan met Winona.
3. The end shooting scene, and the scene after the shooting with a wounded Raylan and Art, Pinter.
4. Ending scene at Ava’s house (lighting, music, mood) … even though I was yelling at the TV, “No, don’t do it, Raylan!!”
I thought the episode drug a little, as compared to the previous two. But it had many worthwhile moments as noted above.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 7, 2013 9:52:19 GMT -6
hi Dolphin- you're right about Raylan and Dewey...He did provoke some quick reactions didn't he? And I guess I forgot about the line from Winona, "you hide it well" I enjoyed the Fixer, although I really hated that Travis Travers! what a scumbag! The ending with Ava, after being shot in the chest (bullet proof vest on)was interesting...in the pool playing scene earlier with Ava, I had the notion that Raylan was NOT going to pursue her, by his body language and explanation..."as soon as I can get re-assigned, I'm outta here" I though he might keep his distance, but then a brush with death changed things, I think. I didn't like Travis Travers, either! And I *usually* so like most of the villains. (For example, I liked Curtis Mims.) Tiny was kind of weird. I also didn't like the pervert who was after Loretta, but I don't think we were supposed to like him. Good point about his recent brush with death (or injury). Maybe that did make him change his mind about Ava because it made no sense, otherwise.
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Post by mare27 on Aug 7, 2013 14:03:14 GMT -6
I'm loving this thread... Just had a thought about the second episode "Riverbrook." When Douglas Cooper, the escaped prisoner first meets Raylan in the gas station and takes his ID, discovers his last name and asks if he is related to the Arlo Givens he knew in prison, he also says "How did he (arlo) like that (Raylan being a lawman)?" and Raylan says "I wouldn't know" Just dawned on me that that could mean more than 17 years of no contact between father and son or just that Raylan never talked to Arlo about it, cause he didn't care what Arlo thought? Has he never been back to Harlan ever, since Helen "saved him" , gave him the money for college? wouldn't he be in touch with Helen, if not Arlo, due to her kindness? Family members not speaking for that long is a pretty big deal. I guess I didn't think about that before. I am so enjoying this re-viewing of episodes in season 1.
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Post by mondayschild on Aug 7, 2013 21:57:22 GMT -6
I watched "The Fixer" tonight... probably for the tenth time. I pretty much have it memorized. But I do love:
Art and Raylan in the locker room. Art telling Raylan that Arlo's biggest problem was a tendency to ill temper. He sarcastically says , wasn't it a good thing that Arlo didn't pass it on. And Raylan replies, "In'it though?" I love the relationship between these two.
Arnold Pinter ( a group favorite.) When he talks about Kentucky as an "inbred,squeal like a pig" backwater, I laugh every time.
Raylan's face as he tries the egg cream.
The whole "Tiny" thing from start to finish. Raylan saying "I get the feeling "Tiny" is meant to be ironic." Boy, is it ever! Tiny's capture is hilarious. Love when Rachel says "Oh, that's just wrong."
Curtis Mims, as low and degraded as he is, is not as slimy as Travis Travers. Actually I found Mims to be somewhat endearing---except when he was talking about killing Raylan. I wasn't expecting him to be offed.
I had forgotten how much Ava wanted to leave Kentucky in season 1. In the long run, it might have been better for her if she had.
Here's one thing I totally missed. Travis's house is on Tate's Creek Road. (The same road where Boyd killed Jared.) Why did that never compute?
Raylan and Ava are not the only ones who want to leave Kentucky. Arnold is headed for Tahiti. Of course we know how that turned out. The grass always seems greener.....
Finally, after being so smart in figuring this case out, Raylan goes to Ava's. RAYLAN, just because you're on leave doesn't mean you don't have to listen to Art. (I think Raylan hooked up with Ava out of sheer loneliness. Winona is in Lexington, and he would much rather be with her. But she is married, and to add insult to injury, she is married to a doofus. He has to move on and its killing him. Ava is ready, willing and able. Dumb move, but case closed.
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Post by andiiv on Aug 8, 2013 5:09:45 GMT -6
Actually, Pinter's description of KY is "inbred, squealacre, pig backwater". I got it memorised as it's so hilarious. I want to write a song called Squealacre. Or name a band after it...
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Post by weegieburd on Aug 8, 2013 5:22:13 GMT -6
I'm loving this thread... Just had a thought about the second episode "Riverbrook." When Douglas Cooper, the escaped prisoner first meets Raylan in the gas station and takes his ID, discovers his last name and asks if he is related to the Arlo Givens he knew in prison, he also says "How did he (arlo) like that (Raylan being a lawman)?" and Raylan says "I wouldn't know" Just dawned on me that that could mean more than 17 years of no contact between father and son or just that Raylan never talked to Arlo about it, cause he didn't care what Arlo thought? Has he never been back to Harlan ever, since Helen "saved him" , gave him the money for college? wouldn't he be in touch with Helen, if not Arlo, due to her kindness? Family members not speaking for that long is a pretty big deal. I guess I didn't think about that before. I am so enjoying this re-viewing of episodes in season 1. I always thought it was very odd the Raylan apparently didn't go back to Harlan for his mother's funeral.
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Post by ripetebook on Aug 8, 2013 8:14:59 GMT -6
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Post by ripetebook on Aug 8, 2013 8:46:57 GMT -6
Fixer: Loved seeing Raylan in the relaxed pool playing scene...you could just feel Ava's desire for Raylan and his far less desire...which changed at the end. I loved how he explained it and the kiss...I know she is a witness but she is a woman...a blonde beauty and that man is all man...and nature just could not be denied...it amazed me he kept from "it" before that.
Loved how we got to see the first distinct part of Raylan's instincts. That along with that fine gun are his special gifts....more his instincts.
Loved Pinter's Ray-Ray and his distaste for Kentucky...his are so difference from Raylan's. Raylan has so many demons hauting his forced return...I think the forced part bothers him as much as anything.
Love all banter with Art....he sees thru Raylan and Raylan just takes it....think he likes that with Art he can be Raylan all the way.
And he isn't macho as much a brave man...very human...thank God for that vest...ouch is all he got from Travis while Raylan got yet another body....oh season one's body count....
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 8, 2013 9:04:20 GMT -6
I'm loving this thread... Just had a thought about the second episode "Riverbrook." When Douglas Cooper, the escaped prisoner first meets Raylan in the gas station and takes his ID, discovers his last name and asks if he is related to the Arlo Givens he knew in prison, he also says "How did he (arlo) like that (Raylan being a lawman)?" and Raylan says "I wouldn't know" Just dawned on me that that could mean more than 17 years of no contact between father and son or just that Raylan never talked to Arlo about it, cause he didn't care what Arlo thought? Has he never been back to Harlan ever, since Helen "saved him" , gave him the money for college? wouldn't he be in touch with Helen, if not Arlo, due to her kindness? Family members not speaking for that long is a pretty big deal. I guess I didn't think about that before. I am so enjoying this re-viewing of episodes in season 1. I always thought it was very odd the Raylan apparently didn't go back to Harlan for his mother's funeral. That brings up something. Do we know, in the timeline, when Raylan's mother died? I *assumed* she died before he left, but I don't know that.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 8, 2013 9:09:40 GMT -6
Good question. Raylan is feeling awfully good about things at work after the capture of Drew Thompson. It would be just his luck that, because of Sequestration, no raises ... no new hires ... no tranfers at the U.S. Marshal Service. Maybe he'll get a commendation suitable for framing? This is a feather in Art's cap, too, right? Just a thought. Those kind of economic conditions can also force the Marshal Service to early retire Art as part of their economic plan ... early retire all employees after a certain age. I'm loving reading everyone's thoughts and comments! I'm getting so much out of this little exercise!
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Post by ripetebook on Aug 8, 2013 9:46:36 GMT -6
I think once he left he was never coming back...oops...that Bucks thing....He wasn't there for the wedding of Helen and Arlo and he didn't come home to bury his mother...leaves how she died as the mystery we all want resolved. I think at some point we will be addressing that. Even his becoming a marshal...Ava said in episode one something about his mother mentioned that....Like we all know - when Raylan left...HE LEFT.
Now I think he is home. That he is slowly overcoming those demons...Helen is gone. His mother is gone. Arlo is gone. Winona has left. The option of Ava is OVER. And he is finally beating Boyd. Demons 0 Raylan 1.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 8, 2013 13:19:10 GMT -6
I think once he left he was never coming back...oops...that Bucks thing....He wasn't there for the wedding of Helen and Arlo and he didn't come home to bury his mother...leaves how she died as the mystery we all want resolved. I think at some point we will be addressing that. Even his becoming a marshal...Ava said in episode one something about his mother mentioned that....Like we all know - when Raylan left...HE LEFT. Now I think he is home. That he is slowly overcoming those demons...Helen is gone. His mother is gone. Arlo is gone. Winona has left. The option of Ava is OVER. And he is finally beating Boyd. Demons 0 Raylan 1. I think he left once and didn't come back until the Tommy Bucks thing, too. But the mystery of what happened to his mother remains a mystery. I always *assumed* that she died and then, Helen married Arlo. But who knows? She could have run off, first or in between. We don't know. (And it really bugs us, too. We thought we might get some more answers than we did through Limehouse. But nooooooo.)
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Post by ripetebook on Aug 8, 2013 13:53:06 GMT -6
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Post by mare27 on Aug 8, 2013 13:55:43 GMT -6
Maybe I'm off track here but I assumed Raylan's Mother died way before Helen helped him get away...as he said "that woman raised her dead sister's child as if he was her own...because..." choked up, unable to finish sentence...( when he was with Dickie after Helen died.) What would have been the end of that sentence?...because she thought he was worth it?, because she loved him?, because...?
MAYBE he was saying Helen raised him because his mother was UNABLE to, maybe she was sick or she ran away from Arlo and left him with Helen...never thought of that...
BUT Ava did say that his mother told her raylan was a marshall...so maybe I'm way off.
Wasn't there a year of her death on the gravestone at Arlo's house? whoops that's coming up in the" Lord of War and Thunder" don't want to get ahead of our "schedule" of about 2 episodes each week...next up is "Long in the Tooth>" Loving this thread....
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