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Post by kentuckygal on Jun 6, 2012 21:12:16 GMT -6
Kentuckygal, was Miss Izzringhausen a Pinkerton? She certainly did not like Bullock's interference into her own agenda. As long as Bullock was around, Mrs. Garrett's ownership into the claim was 'protected.' Yes, Miss Izzringhausen was the Pinkerton, or at least Swearengen was certain she was a Pinkerton. Either way, she was dispatched to implicate Alma in Brom’s murder by whatever means necessary. But note that she did not initiate her move until Bullock and Alma had “severed connection.” Luckily Al’s deep dread of the Pinkerton’s made him an unlikely instant ally of Alma at just that moment. (Mrs. Garrett had some of the best bad luck or worst good luck of anyone.) (Where did Milch come up with that name? It’s so off the wall, like a Dickens character.) I came to the Deadwood party a bit late having seen the entire series in a two and a half week blitz last May-June. Plus I saw the first season via direct streaming while waiting for my DVDs to arrive. The image was grainy and sometimes froze, there were no subtitles and I had 24 hours in which to watch an episode before it disappeared. But even under those conditions I knew it was one of the best series I had ever seen. So I’m sure I missed some plot points. When my life settles down in a few months I’ll re-watch the entire show and savor the experience. Indeed, Bullock was an honorable man. He had conducted himself honorably with respect to both Alma and Martha since Mrs. Bullock’s unexpected arrival. He did not chafe at Swearengen’s comment about jeopardizing the tranquility of his hearth for several reasons. First, there were far weightier concerns on Seth’s mind than “appearances” or how other people perceived his conduct--- namely the safety of Alma and Sofia. Secondly, he came there with no ulterior motives about rekindling their relationship, so there was no imminent danger to his marriage. Most importantly, I think he had finally forgiven himself. And he finally trusted himself. Do you recall Anna Gunn commenting in the S2 premiere about how hard Bullock was on himself? The two women in his life had essentially already forgiven him, but he could not forgive himself. Even Swearengen (in another episode) recognized that Bullock held himself to a higher standard of conduct than most mortals, though of course Al worded it in caustic terms. If we can rely on Anna Gunn’s take on their back history, Martha and Bullock had only met about twice before their wedding and the marriage had not been consummated. Plus it had been at least six months since Seth wrote and asked her to join him. That he had become involved with someone else during those long months of separation from his near stranger of a wife was probably not a great surprise. One can imagine the sort of bad conduct Martha had seen living in dingy remote Army camps--- alcoholism, physical abuse, abandonment or husbands flaunting their dalliances with camp followers. Seth may have found solace with another woman, but he was willing to end the intimate relationship and Martha was ready to begin their real marriage. So she never held his feet to the fire. But he continued to torment himself with guilt and self-recrimination. ....................................................................................... Though I am not sure Martha ever realized just how deeply Seth loved Alma. That revelation might have made Martha a little insecure. Or was that the crux of her strangely worded outburst after her visit with Alma when Martha rebuked him for his sacrifice on her behalf? ....................................................................................... Unlike some viewers, I don't believe Martha ever picked up on the pregnancy nor that she realized the medical procedure was an abortion. When Seth was explaining why Sofia was in their care instead of Trixie's, Martha just looked at him with big, expectant eyes, waiting for whatever details he offered. Had she suspected it was related to his love child, I think her reaction would have been more like her response to his efforts to recall the letter he never wrote that she never received. Basically there would have been little to no eye contact on her part and strained patience. Instead, she reacted as if it was any other 19th century surgical procedure performed in a frontier camp---- that is, fraught with real danger and real potential for death. ....................................................................................... Sorry I jumped all over the map with my comments. Like I said, I came to the Deadwood party late, so I never got to dig into discussions with other fans. And IMDB really isn't a particularly Bullock, Alma or Martha friendly zone. It's mostly a Swearengen is god and can do no wrong, Alma is a bitch and Bullock should just STFU site. Thanks for letting me vent. ...................................................................................... I was happy to hear Milch acknowledge that Alma would always be the love of Bullock’s life and that, had the series continued, their relationship would have remained “complicated.” Darn, I would love to know what exactly that meant.
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Post by wkw99 on Jun 6, 2012 21:17:11 GMT -6
Complicated? Yost has echoed Milch when talking about Raylan and Winona...So...Winona=Alma? Albeit in different ways, but still.
Gaw. TO needs a good romantic comedy where he actually GETS and KEEPS the girl/woman.
I can't jump on the Deadwood-is-the-best-series- ever bandwagon with y'all. I enjoyed it, but I've seen better. Six Feet Under(the best by far, start to finish and the most poignant, wonderful finale ever), Friday Night Lights, The West Wing, and, I believe Justified will join those and maybe even 'jump the line'.
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Post by kentuckygal on Jun 6, 2012 21:46:09 GMT -6
Well I don't know if it's the-best-show-EVER! But it is in the running for the laurels..... Or at least the first two seasons are.
Anyways, I love Justified! It has not disappointed me yet and it is a better fit for TO, really showing his range.
I have only seen the first season of Six Feet Under, which was really good. Please don't hate me, but I have never seen Friday Night Lights. I adore Kyle Chandler and have since he was in the series Homefront. (Actually, I think I first noticed him in Tour of Duty, but he made a stronger impression in the WW2 show.) But I think FNL was on at the same time as Jericho, so I had to choose. The sports show lost. (Yes, I realize now that it had themes and characters that ran much deeper than that flippant sports show label implies.)
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Post by wkw99 on Jun 7, 2012 4:06:25 GMT -6
Get thee the FNL dvds, Alphamare. All five seasons are out now. As far as I'm concerned, you can skip S2 or parts of it, anyway (Dolphin will know what I mean) but every bit of the rest of it is gold. And, like Justified, it isn't just about the lead guy....everyone on that show is given an opportunity to shine at some point.
Another reason to watch: IMO, FNL did a better job than Justified in dealing with female characters. Aside from Ava, who's transformation from helpless and love-struck in S1 to remorseless madam/murderer in S3 bothers me a bit, sometimes the Justified writers don't know what to do with strong women like *cough* Winona and *cough* Rachel.
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Post by motorcitymade on Jun 7, 2012 6:51:42 GMT -6
Kentuckygal, Stick with Six Feet Under! There is only one season that I didn't like the Brenda story line, season 3 or 4? But the pay off at the end of season 5, the finale, is the best television ever.
The Problem with the Brenda story line that year was that *once again* the writers just fumbled with a female character. She makes 2 dramatic transformations during the length of the show.
I want them to cast David's BF Keith on Justified as a love interest for Rachael. Wouldn't they look good together?
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 7, 2012 11:13:17 GMT -6
Kentuckygal, I can't recommend Friday Night Lights highly enough. If you liked MASH, as a 'dramedy,' that was set in the Korean War, but really wasn't about the Korean War (it was about the people in the MASH unit ... the war provided the backdrop for some great story telling) ... you'll like Friday Night Lights. Once the story is established, the show is not about football. It's about the people in the town of Dillon, TX. The entire cast is phenomenal. It has been said to have one of the best pilot episodes EVER created. The pilot does have a lot of football as the backdrop to set the stage for the show. Kyle becomes the head coach of the state championship-bound Dillon Panthers, in a football crazy town where all the stores close on Friday Nights for the local football games. The West Texas town is relatively poor, football players are treated like Gods, there's not much hope for young people past high school. The town's Boosters ($$) are former State Championship ring holders who are hungry for another win (or a 'W' as they call them). There are racial problems in the town. Coaches and their families are nomadic ... they come and go depending on Wins and Losses. Kyle Chandler was born to play Coach Taylor. I discovered Kyle on this show and have since watched just about everything he's ever done. (This is much like Tim was born to play Raylan or Hugh Laurie was born to play House. I can't imagine anyone else in these roles.) But in Kyle's case, the TV show FNLs is based on the iconic sports movie where Billie Bob Thornton played the coach ... a different kind of coach. (Connie Britton and the guy who plays head Booster, Buddy Garrity, return from the film.) New- to-the-franchise, outsider Kyle made the role of the coach his own. Creator Peter Berg did not want Kyle for the role. They wanted a Dwight Yocum type. Kyle was too young for the role (at the time), too pretty, had too nice a smile. But he came back for a subsequent meeting with Berg, unshaven and a little hung over after a party with his buddies. Berg told him whatever he was doing ... keep doing it. Also different than the movie, the marriage of Kyle Chandler and Connie Britton is highlighted in the TV show and has been rightly called the best marriage on television. Coach and Tami are true partners in life ... a marriage we all can aspire to have. Connie Britton is awesome!!!!! The chemistry between these two is magic. I have 4 all-time-favorite shows on TV, about 1 a decade: Original Star Trek, MASH, X Files, FNLs. I don't get hooked on shows very often. It's all about characters for me. And that something 'different.' Justified is currently my favorite show and as you all have said, it's well on its way to joining my list of my 5th all-time-favorite show. By the time I watched the 3rd FNLs episode, Wind Sprints, I was hooked. Kyle and Connie deserved Emmy nods for their work in Season 1, but didn't see them until Seasons 4 and 5. NBC supported the show by keeping it on the air despite ratings challenges ... but did not support its Emmy bids until much, much later. Critics always loved the show as did we die hard fans. Give it a 2 or 3 episode watch and see what you think. Dillon could be any small town and football could be anything that galvanizes and gives pride to its community. This show has heart ... without being sappy. Season 2 did have some problems (there was a writers strike ... season was cut short ... show was sold to Direct TV for S3). A story line was dropped, another highly criticized. But it served a purpose to propel the stories into the next season. And there are some excellent episodes in Season 2. Excellent.
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Post by clovergirl on Jun 7, 2012 12:53:52 GMT -6
Testament to the fact that Deadwood was great is right here. People still watching and re-watching it, posting and discussing it, 6 years after it's gone off the air. I just love it and I know I'll be watching it again for years and years.
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 7, 2012 15:32:49 GMT -6
Testament to the fact that Deadwood was great is right here. People still watching and re-watching it, posting and discussing it, 6 years after it's gone off the air. I just love it and I know I'll be watching it again for years and years. Hey, Clover!! I really enjoyed re-watching and feel sure I'll do it a 3rd time during this loooonnnnnggggg Justified haitus.
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Post by kentuckygal on Jun 8, 2012 18:19:47 GMT -6
There is an impressive level of devoted fandom for FNL on this discussion board. I guess I have received my mandate! ;D
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 8, 2012 20:14:06 GMT -6
There is an impressive level of devoted fandom for FNL on this discussion board. I guess I have received my mandate! ;D Definitley check out the pilot (and if you are so inclined, perhaps a 2nd/3rd episode) and let us know what you think.
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 11, 2012 15:37:09 GMT -6
This just came out about the best Drama Pilots of All Time on Televison. (LOL Trust me, I'm equally obnoxious about Justified over at the Kyle Chandler site.) See? It's not just me. 3. “Friday Night Lights”I checked out “Friday Night Lights” when the first season hit DVD. I’d heard good things, but I’d also grown up in Texas, and I didn’t know if I’d be able to enjoy a show so enamored of the small-town sports culture that had never captivated me. By the end of the first hour, I was doing my best not to cry and already reaching for the remote to cue the next episode. www.pajiba.com/seriously_random_lists/the-best-drama-pilots-of-all-time.php
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Post by mondayschild on Jun 11, 2012 21:45:30 GMT -6
Dolphin, your comment about growing up in Texas and the football culture reminded me of "Two-a-Days," the MTV reality show of a few years ago. High school football is pretty much the same all over, but it is magnified in the south. It is a religion. "Two-a -days," set in Alabama was so much like the fictional "FNL."
My youngest niece was an All-American cheerleader and now works for the NCA. Her team in PA trained 51 weeks a year and dominated the East coast for a number of years. They still may, but I am not up on the present since she is not competing anymore. Her senior year, her team competed in Texas for the national title. They came in third or fourth. She said they should have ranked one place higher---there was a question about the judging---but she said they were thrilled because they were competing against Texas and the other states where cheerleading is almost as important as football. In other words, HUGE.
This was all in the back of my mind when I watched FNL. I found it to be a very realistic show with great acting and true to life story lines. I miss it greatly. Thanks for the videos. They brought back a lot of memories.
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Post by mondayschild on Jun 11, 2012 22:30:34 GMT -6
I know this is the "Deadwood" thread, and we all love it, but some of y0u have mentioned other great shows. mcm mentioned "Six Feet Under."
I'm feeling very deprived here. I rented the first two or three seasons from Blockbuster and then they stopped supplying further seasons. I was able to catch the end of the final season on the internet, and of course, cried my eyes out. I may have to break down and buy the whole series.
I am delighted that the actors on this show have been able to get other gigs. Peter Krause is on "Parenthood," which I love and Emmy has snubbed. Michael Hall is, of course "Dexter." We saw Frances Conroy on AHS. Rachel Griffiths and Jeremy Sisto went on to other series. They are all great. It sure beats Snooki and the Kardashians.
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 11, 2012 22:37:01 GMT -6
I know this is the "Deadwood" thread, and we all love it, but some of y0u have mentioned other great shows. mcm mentioned "Six Feet Under." I'm feeling very deprived here. I rented the first two or three seasons from Blockbuster and then they stopped supplying further seasons. I was able to catch the end of the final season on the internet, and of course, cried my eyes out. I may have to break down and buy the whole series. I am delighted that the actors on this show have been able to get other gigs. Peter Krause is on "Parenthood," which I love and Emmy has snubbed. Michael Hall is, of course "Dexter." We saw Frances Conroy on AHS. Rachel Griffiths and Jeremy Sisto went on to other series. They are all great. It sure beats Snooki and the Kardashians. I love Peter Krause in Parenthood (Jason Katims, same writer/showrunner as Friday Night Lights). I'll have to check it out. You're welcome, Mondayschild. It really was one of the best pilots ... ever.
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Post by mondayschild on Jun 11, 2012 22:46:31 GMT -6
Dolphin, I forgot when I was talking about "Six Feet Under." Matthew St. Patrick---- more than a few of us want to see him show up on "Justified" and sweep Rachel off her feet! Would this be awesome or what? I would really like Shemar Moore in this role,but he is otherwise engaged.
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Post by katcoblue on Jun 19, 2012 15:22:59 GMT -6
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 21, 2012 2:29:47 GMT -6
Here's a yummy Bullock photo for all you in TO Withdrawal:
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Post by weegieburd on Jun 21, 2012 6:13:23 GMT -6
The good news is that they are reshowing series 2 here at the moment and it is on tonight....the bad news is that Justified finished it's run last night....I am so not a happy bunny!
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 25, 2012 8:53:31 GMT -6
Oh, wow. Today, the US Supreme court overturned a Montana law that was brought by Seth Bullock: "By summarily reversing the case, American Tradition Partnership v. Bullock, the justices refused to reconcile their sweeping statement of free speech principles in Citizens United with the real-world facts -- from Montana's history to today's super PACs -- put forward by Montana and its supporters to demonstrate that independent expenditures do, indeed, corrupt or create the appearance of corruption." www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/25/supreme-court-reversed-citzens-united-montana_n_1605355.html
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Post by kentuckygal on Jun 25, 2012 17:41:07 GMT -6
WOW! Just wow!
Thanks for the link, Dolphin.
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Post by katcoblue on Jun 25, 2012 18:57:32 GMT -6
I heard about that on MSNBC today Dolphin. The governor was VERY upset by this. He was concerned that BIG money would own their state. There goes the neighborhood.
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Post by mondayschild on Jun 25, 2012 20:53:05 GMT -6
I saw that, too, Kat. Thanks to Seth Bullock, the people of Montana have enjoyed fair and untainted elections for a century. Sadly, they will now have to join the rest of us in the big money, corrupt, free for all. How sad, and how undemocratic. The Supremes have gone over the edge. Talk about judicial activism!
Did you see the map that shows the area that the shale oil industry wants to develop? It's in NE Montana, crossing over into NW North Dakota and a small area of Canada. Big corporations can now flood the state with their money so that they can control the legislatures and get whatever they want. It has happened in my state and it is despicable. Money is being taken from education and services for the neediest of our citizens and given to the gas drillers and a new Shell refinery program. Shell isn't even an American company, but they are going to be able to operate refineries TAX FREE for the next 20 years.
Isn't it interesting that Seth Bullock was so forward thinking? He knew that big money would corrupt the system. Nobody seems to have that kind of balls today.
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Post by wkw99 on Jun 26, 2012 4:00:19 GMT -6
In the end, we're all going to pay for it. Sigh.
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 26, 2012 8:52:16 GMT -6
So, true. Where is our Seth Bullock of today? (He was Canadian.) We need him!!!!
I don't see this as a partisan issue. I see it as Corporations are not people and should not have the same rights as people. And that power corrupts absolutely.
Look out for Robocalls.
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Post by weegieburd on Sept 6, 2012 4:52:47 GMT -6
Well they were at it like rabbits before Martha came along....how did you miss THAT! LOL
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