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Post by clovergirl on Jun 22, 2011 4:27:03 GMT -6
Aaah, what I wouldn't give for 3 more seasons of Deadwood.
Anna Gunn was and is brilliant.
Downloaded Dinner for Five also. Loved it. I thought they were all really funny and David Milch is just so interesting. I could listen to him forever. Timothy's Vince Vaughn story was very funny. Also, as someone who has suffered panic attacks, I thought Jay Mohr's talking about his was very brave, especially in the company of this pack of jokers, lol. Funny, I used to watch this show all the time because I was a big Favreau/Vaughn fan but I never saw this episode. Best $1.99 I ever spent, lol.
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Post by anyways on Jun 23, 2011 13:04:46 GMT -6
Part 4 is up I know Seth says he stayed up all night working on the store, and he and Sol continue to work thoughout the long day, but boy does it seem like he and they get an awful lot of work done in the 24 hours since we saw them get started. Then again, Timothy Olyphant takes off his shirt at one point, and I imagine that was enough to distract a decent portion of the audience from questioning either the timeline or Seth's building skills. so uhm...yeah...what?...
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Post by clovergirl on Jun 23, 2011 13:33:39 GMT -6
Ya know what, now that I think back, that store did go up pretty quick, lol. Here's my theory....Seth took his shirt off and all the "ladies" in town came over to "help", because small town people are good like that, and him being shirtless had nothing to do with it, and that sucker was done in no time!
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Post by anyways on Jun 23, 2011 13:59:13 GMT -6
LOL, hell, I'd gladly pay a fee to help Timothy Olyphant, Keith Carradine and John Hawkes put up a building...but I would probably just hit my thumb instead of any nails. Too many distractions!
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Post by clovergirl on Jul 6, 2011 6:59:14 GMT -6
Isn't it amazing how much clothing they wore back then? Even in the hottest weather, in that filthy dirty town, they'd be all buttoned up to the chin. Awful. I so just wanted to loosen those Bullock buttons! I bet it would've improved his moods!
Loved in the commentary Timothy talking about how long it took to undo a ladie's dress back then. No easy task!
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Post by wkw99 on Jul 6, 2011 8:07:29 GMT -6
Plenty of time to think more than twice about it. Maybe that was the point. LOL.
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Post by clovergirl on Sept 3, 2011 19:15:54 GMT -6
HBO has been showing Deadwood again and so my DVR's been busy. I just can't delete them without watching even though I have the box set of all 3 seasons and have seen it all at least twice.
The last 2 episodes I watched were so good. Wild Bill's been killed and Seth rides out after his killer which led to that whole incredible scene with him killing the Indian. Being saved by Charlie. Finding McCall in the bunk house and instead of killing him he hauls him off for trial, telling him that rightfully all he deserves is to be shot in the back like Bill. Then he knocks him out with his gun, a la Dickie Bennett in the woods, intead of killing him.
Seth comes back to camp a changed man and he and Alma have a discussion about how maybe they've both changed, reminding me of him and that other woman, lol.
He confronts Al about giving Alma a fair shake or he's coming back for him. Al, in all his awesome scariness, says "what if I come for you, you ready for that?" Seth: "I guess I'd better be. Al: "Then you better close your fucking store because being ready for me is gonna take care of all your waking hours and you better have someone to hand the task off to when you close your eyes." (all in one breath, lol) Seth: "We understand each other." (with steel in both sets of eyes!)
Sorry to go on and on but I'm just falling in love with Deadwood all over again. I'm glad to have it too in this long dry Raylan-less period. Keeps me going.
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Post by mondayschild on Sept 3, 2011 20:04:44 GMT -6
I swore I was going to rewatch this whole series, but haven't gotten around to it yet. I remember all of the things that have been talked about here. It's that damn game over on FX, ("Who Said It?) I get busy trying to track down the quote and don't get to watch other stuff. I promise you, when the new TV season begins, I won't be able to play.
I still can't get over the fact that the series was canceled. And I don't really understand why. I watched it later on DVD, so I wasn't really following the chatter at the time. They had that beautiful set, a great cast, a compelling story--why do you throw that all away? Was viewership low? Could HBO no longer afford it? To bad that everything comes down to the almighty dollar. I would have loved to see more of these characters.
BTW, does anyone have any idea where anyways is? She started this thread and has been MIA for quite a while.
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Post by clovergirl on Sept 6, 2011 16:43:59 GMT -6
I was reminded of her too while watching that last episode. Seth must have said it 4 times! ANYWAYS! She didn't post often but she always had something good to share. Hey woman, stop in and say hi.
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Post by motorcitymade on Sept 6, 2011 18:16:41 GMT -6
Sounds like both of us don't get to bed before midnight weekdays, clover. It's on at 11:00 here and I assume the same for you since you are in Eastern Standard time.
Regarding Anyways, She is Dutch, so she's 6 hours ahead of EST. Also,there has been a lot going on in Europe over the last 6 months. ( She would kill me for lumping all of Europe into one). Germany had that Ecoli outbreak and Norway had the terrorist attack. The EU is about to split apart because of the debt crisis in the PIIGS. The Netherlands has some political upheaval over immigration and the war in Afghanistan fairly recently. Maybe she's just not in the mood to fawn over TO with us. I was always worried I annoyed her with my constant double entendre.
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Post by clovergirl on Sept 7, 2011 17:26:35 GMT -6
Nah, mcm, I doubt she was annoyed by you. She has a great sense of humor and a deep appreciation of all things Timothy! She's probably just one of those SANE kind of folks that carries on with their lives when a TV show is on hiatus, lol. PS- I'm not up at night. I record everything and watch the next day.
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Post by kentuckygal on Apr 11, 2012 21:10:08 GMT -6
Will the board members be rewatching Deadwood this year? If so, how do you go about it? Choose a season or episode that all the participants watch? Randomly comment on different episodes? Just hang around and express our unending affection for Seth Bullock?
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Post by mondayschild on Apr 11, 2012 22:23:18 GMT -6
kentuckygal, I watched Deadwood from start to finish over the past winter. This was my second viewing. Since I don't have HBO, I bought the complete series. It cost me about 70,.00, but I don 't regret it. I know I will watch it again. It's hard to imagine a cast of better characters or a more compelling story. Since Justified won't be back for a while, we could discuss it episode by episode, but if we are going to play "Who Said It" over there> it might take over all of our lives! I'm not sure I could keep up!
I live in the Mid-Atlantic and our March was like June. Everything is growing like crazy and I have yard work out the wazoo. I don't know if I have the time, but I will try if everyone wants too.
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Post by mondayschild on Apr 11, 2012 22:26:14 GMT -6
P.S. I agree that Anyways has a great sense of humor. Check out her quote from Blackadder. Baldrick is one of my favorite characters of all time. He is priceless. Anyways, if you are out there, WE MISS YOU!
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Post by Dolphin on May 29, 2012 9:28:15 GMT -6
My favorite episode as well. The one where the boy dies and one after it- 'The whores can come' are also tops on my list. I'm rewatching Deadwood. My top eps concur. The first time I saw it, I thought all the residents of Deadwood were so dirty, grimy, smelly. Ewww. Upon reviewing, I just think Seth Bullock is hot!
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Post by alphamare on May 29, 2012 23:37:12 GMT -6
I rewatch episodes once a week or so. I find so many interesting layers on each review. Its like the first time I was so focused on what the hell people were saying I missed a good deal of the nuance. I keep finding new little story lines and subtext and, my gosh, it's so funny!
Even before I knew I loved TO, Seth was like the end-all-to-be-all for me. I kinda have a little thing for Sol too. Oh, those hardware fellas and their cute old-married-couple banter.
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Post by mondayschild on May 29, 2012 23:57:49 GMT -6
I've watched the whole thing twice, but I know that if I watch it again---and I will---that I will find new things. There is not one character that can be dismissed. They are all wonderful---Seth, Al, E.B., Alma, Trixie; it goes on and on. There are so many more. Every character is amazing. The whole thing is rude, crude and socially unacceptable, but it is so compelling. It's like a train wreck. You cannot turn away.
I think I will watch it again in the fall, before Justified returns. First rate drama. Wouldn't it be wonderful if shows could go on to conclusion and not have their fates be determined by the whims of network TV?
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Post by alphamare on May 30, 2012 0:04:46 GMT -6
I really like how crude it is. I watched it through the first time with my parents-- awkward! Lots of penises and sex acts. I think it's so compelling to have something so beautifully written and acted and directed contrasted with the dark subject matter, the nudity, the perversion of language and the filth of the thoroughfare. I like TV that shakes me up. I wanna feel something. Deadwood made me feel it all! Ruined me for other tv, though. Nothing holds a candle, not even Justified and we all know how good that show is. I longed for a better conclusion, but looking back, I don't know that any other ending would have worked. That's probably why I write the fan fic, cause I miss Alma and Seth and Doc Cochran and the little dysfunctional Gem family (Dan and Johnny are SO adorable for murdering henchmen).
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Post by wkw99 on May 30, 2012 4:14:26 GMT -6
I have to disagree. I think Justified is every bit as good as Deadwood, maybe better. TO is certainly a more nuanced and detailed actor than he was in Deadwood. Maybe I just I like Raylan better than I liked Seth. I know I like Justified more.
I have to confess that the husband and I gave up on Deadwood after S2. It was wonderful in a lot of ways, but frankly, just too damn depressing and hearing 'fuck' every other word got really old for both of us. I love S1, and I own that on DVD...but I don't care to see the rest of it again.
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Post by alphamare on May 30, 2012 10:14:06 GMT -6
I agree-- Raylan is a more layered character and TO is a better actor now. However, I don't think you can beat the Deadwood cast with that writing and that production team. As much as I hate to say it, TO was probably the weakest point (though he was still better then than most of what's on tv today).
It was pretty depressing, what with all the death and violence. But I saw a lot of hope in it to-- the way the camp came together when William died and when Hearst threatened them, the way society forms itself even among thieves and murderers, how loving Trixie is despite her lot in life, how Mr and Mrs Bullock find love in their marriage, the way there are little pockets of family among the camp. Every interaction Seth or Al had with the preacher just about brought me to tears it was so beautiful. The bad people do good things as much as the good ones do wrong in Deadwood- and I like it!
And, I don't get the aversion to the language. I would imagine in the old west, if you didn't want to get robbed or murdered you'd have to project a pretty rough image and language- granted not the f-word-- was probably a good way to show how tough you are without risking life and limb. You also have to think that these are men living in the solitude of the hills of South Dakota, drinking whiskey instead of water, taking dope for every ailment known to man (and some manufactured by man), fighting for their lives on a daily basis. They went there to make a fortune (and probably failed) and to escape society because they're criminals or weirdos. They're probably not the most civilized and polite folks to begin with and when you factor in the rest you get Deadwood.
You're missing out on a really good story if you get hung up on the swearing.
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Post by wkw99 on May 30, 2012 18:45:22 GMT -6
It wasn't the swearing that made us stop as much as the depressing storyline....but then, we loved Six Feet Under (the best show on HBO ever, IMO) and it was every bit as depressing, so I'm not sure what it was.
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 3, 2012 10:07:01 GMT -6
I just finished rewatching Season 3 on DVD. (I bought S2 and 3 used from Amazon to add to my TO collection. It was very reasonable to buy it that way and get the 'extras.') I watched the last episode with David Milch's commetary. He says that there wasn't enough time to finish, do the finale right. And he talked about future, 2 hour Deadwood installments. Maybe now that Luck was cancelled, he'll get right on that. He talks about how in his mind, Bullock, after losing the cooked up election, barracades himself so as not to give up the tin. And it is Swearengen who talks him out. But they didn't have time. He also talked about how, in a 2 hour, future story, Bullock is still in love with Alma. Before seeing this and hearing Milch's thoughts, I had a question. What was happening with the marriage of Seth and Martha in Season 3? It seemed to be progressing as an affectionate and respectful relationship (as opposed to passionate with Alma). And then, it was just dropped from the storyline. Or did I miss something? Anna Gunn had very little face time in the 2nd half of S3. The scene where Bullock rushes to Alma's side after Ellsworth is murdered and naturally grabs her along with Sofia for an embrace was a very touching, organic scene. It would be natural to let the guard down and protect, give comfort. Ellsworth was brought in by Seth to protect Alma's claim. Bullock could rationalize their subsequent arrangement because the 'good man' Ellsworth would take care of Alma and Sofia. Once again, he finds her widowed, under attack by someone much, much worse than Swearengen ever was. An enemy that even he could not defeat for his office of Sheriff. I was rooting for Martha. I was hoping for a deepening of love between Seth and Martha. Martha had a very calming, civilized affect on the Sheriff's volatile nature. She fit in better with his place in the town. She was as highly capable as she was intelligent, as opposed to the aritocratically helpless Alma who couldn't even strike a match to make some tea. Martha was a better 'partner' for Seth in Deadwood. I was waiting for Martha to pop up preggers with a child of their own. According to Wikipedia, they did have 3 children together. I could see Seth and Alma remaining as star-crossed lovers. He was never legally available to her, yet his passion for her rose when she was legally available by widowhood (twice?).
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 3, 2012 10:46:15 GMT -6
One more thing ... Sofia.
In the next to the last episode, Seth is holding that little girl. Stroking her hair. Carrying her to safety (she's afraid of Swearengen ... good instincts, that girl).
She talks about wanting to see Mr. Ellsworth's whiskers one more time. And then, there's a scene where she's touching Bullock's bushy moustache. And she hugs him tightly around the neck when he carries her.
She shows both Ellsworth and Bullock more demonstrative affection and they with her ... much more than Alma can give to her.
The instincts of children are always right on. She knows Bullock is her protector. That he loves her. That her mother is okay when he's near. That her mother loves him. Without anything ever have to be said.
Beautifully done.
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Post by kentuckygal on Jun 3, 2012 14:40:01 GMT -6
SPOILERS SPOILERS If you have not seen Season 3He talks about how in his mind, Bullock, after losing the cooked up election, barracades himself so as not to give up the tin. And it is Swearengen who talks him out. But they didn't have time. He also talked about how, in a 2 hour, future story, Bullock is still in love with Alma. The scene where Bullock rushes to Alma's side after Ellsworth is murdered and naturally grabs her along with Sofia for an embrace was a very touching, organic scene. It would be natural to let the guard down and protect, give comfort. Ellsworth was brought in by Seth to protect Alma's claim. Bullock could rationalize their subsequent arrangement because the 'good man' Ellsworth would take care of Alma and Sofia. Once again, he finds her widowed, under attack by someone much, much worse than Swearengen ever was. An enemy that even he could not defeat for his office of Sheriff. Oh heavens, that scene just pierced my heart. (It still tears me up every time I watch it.) That moment alone redeemed all of season three’s dead ends and undeveloped characters. It was so touching, emotionally powerful and, yes, organic…. and without a word of spoken dialogue! Can you imagine the hell Seth was going through on his return trip to Deadwood, not knowing the particulars of why he was being called back to camp, but imagining worst case scenarios? Thankfully Al cut to the chase instead of exploiting the moment to vent his rage and frustration. But when Bullock dropped to his knees, with that utterly stricken look on his face and enfolded Sofia and Alma in his arms--- well, I basically lost it. That image of those three wounded souls clinging to each other, as well as the thought of what could have been, remains one of Deadwood’s indelible moments. One of my favorite aspects of that entire scene, from his arrival at the Gem to their departure together, was that he was absolutely there for Alma and Sofia. He didn’t question the propriety of offering a strong, comforting shoulder to these two people that he loved. He didn’t second guess himself or get knotted up in awkwardness. When Alma returned from her conversation with Doc, the look on Bullock’s face was so open. It seemed to say whatever you need, whatever you decide, I am here for both of you.One more thing ... Sofia. In the next to the last episode, Seth is holding that little girl. Stroking her hair. Carrying her to safety (she's afraid of Swearengen ... good instincts, that girl). She talks about wanting to see Mr. Ellsworth's whiskers one more time. And then, there's a scene where she's touching Bullock's bushy moustache. And she hugs him tightly around the neck when he carries her. She shows both Ellsworth and Bullock more demonstrative affection and they with her ... much more than Alma can give to her. The instincts of children are always right on. She knows Bullock is her protector. That he loves her. That her mother is okay when he's near. That her mother loves him. Without anything ever have to be said. Beautifully done. This. I agree, it was so beautifully done. There was such tenderness, trust, love and protectiveness in that scene. And you are so right about how perceptive Sofia was about the adults in her world without having to hear explanations, proclamations of love or threats. We saw how clear-eyed she was when Alma sought Bullock’s help with Otis Russell. Or how Sofia picked up on that moment when Miss Izzringhausen handed the pocket watch back to Bullock--- and did it at the child’s eye level. (I always felt Miss Izz did that intentionally to embarrass Bullock, given that she was deceptively manipulative.) In my own imaginings, Deadwood could have ended with a scene of a grown Sofia visiting the graves of her tragically star-crossed loved ones and sitting down to write her memoirs of the early days of the camp.
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Post by Dolphin on Jun 3, 2012 15:53:47 GMT -6
Kentuckygal, was Miss Izzringhausen a Pinkerton?
She certainly did not like Bullock's interference into her own agenda. As long as Bullock was around, Mrs. Garrett's ownership into the claim was 'protected.'
Deadwood is so complex in its plotlines. I've now watched twice and have more questions than ever. I actually like Al Swearengen's character better after viewing for a 2nd time. After a break ... I'm sure I'll view it a third time.
Back to the scene where Bullock is bounding up the Gem staircase to go to Alma and Sofia, Swearengen makes reference to Langrishe about a prior relationship between Bullock and Mrs. Ellsworth. To which Langrishe incorrectly surmises her not selling her claim was because Bullock had 'reason to keep her there for another swing.' Swearengen's quick reply that reason was not Bullock's strongsuit at first seemed like an insult to Bullock. But now, I think that it would have been an insult to most men. Not to Bullock; however, because he was truly an honorable man. And even though Swearengen doesn't understand it, at this point in the show, he believes Mr. Bullock has conducted himself in an honorable fashion where Alma is concerned and he respects him for it.
Swearengen later makes a remark to Bullock about him guarding Mrs. Ellsworth and Sofia with hopes 'not to jeopardize the tranquility of your own hearth.' I think Swearengen felt for, or at least sincerely acknowledged Bullock's plight ... maybe for the first time. And for the first time since Bullock left the decison of their future up to Alma Garrett, Mr. Bullock did not seem ruffled by the mention of the tranquility of his hearth. In that moment, it didn't matter.
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