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Post by wkw99 on Apr 5, 2015 10:22:03 GMT -6
IMDB is notoriously unreliable on casting, especially when shows are winding down. Natalie was filming at the end, she posted this on TWITTER:
Natalie Zea @nataliezea ยท Feb 19
That's a wrap. #JUSTIFIED #Winona #Braless
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That's way after they would've finished filming episode 7, so I'm pretty sure she's in the last episode.
Raylan is what the show is all about. They will show us where he ends up.
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 5, 2015 10:37:32 GMT -6
Hey did you catch my post? I found what episode and I believe that scene included Raylan kicking Boyd in the ass. Raylan was one very angry man. Arlo had given Boyd permission to use the house on Indian lane for the oxy clinic. But it was the use of the givens name in connection....Raylan was upset that as a marshal he was connected to oxy...when in fact he was not.
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 5, 2015 11:42:49 GMT -6
Ripe and WKW,
Yes I did catch your post. Because I know that the origin of the quote - which had to do with his family name - I didn't see it as any predictor/clue for the next two weeks.
Forgetting IMDB ... I would bet a wooden nickel - that Boyd is Markham's "unlikely ally". And while I think IMDB isn't consistent on adds; I think people dropping are. (Sam Elliot)
It also makes sense ... why would Markham be relevant to the finale. Hence he teams up with Boyd and Boyd kills him. Anyways ... hold me accountable. I think that is one of the things that is going to happen Tuesday night.
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 5, 2015 12:05:54 GMT -6
I think Boyd will "eliminate" Markham leaving boone as the unemployed wild card! And he has a thing for Loretta!!! With Markham gone...does he become her adversary or protector? And in the end I see Raylan coming to her rescue!!! And yeah I agree we will see Winona in the finale and she may not be listed to keep it a surprise! Or on Skype? Two more seems too sad!!!
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 5, 2015 12:46:42 GMT -6
Ripe,
File all of this as "get a life".
I like your thread on Boone, With Markham gone, he would likely go after Loretta; both from a romantic and her money point of view. Raylan saving Loretta again is a nice "Justified" bookend, that the writers love. Gun fight with Raylan? Seems too obvious. But must be tempting.
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 5, 2015 13:55:54 GMT -6
With Markham gone...Boone would have no reason to harm Loretta. And then could the ally they refer to for Boyd be Boone and not Markham? Boyd will still be the one to kill Markham....Raylan for sure gets his high noon moment with Boyd and a quick draw moment with Boone...in short Raylan is going to unholster his glock!!!!
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 5, 2015 14:33:41 GMT -6
Ripe,
The teaser is Markham teams up with an unlikely ally.
Not Boyd teams up with an unlikely ally.
Hope this helps.
JC
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Post by wkw99 on Apr 5, 2015 16:27:36 GMT -6
An unlikely ally for Markham could be Boyd, but it could also be Loretta or even Wynn Duffy. Or...Art.
All unlikely.
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 5, 2015 17:20:32 GMT -6
Or since he did it before....Raylan. Unlikely but heck this season has been nothing if not shocking with unlikely twists.
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Post by siss13 on Apr 6, 2015 6:25:27 GMT -6
The first thought that came to my mind as an "unlikely ally" was Duffy, since Markham will probably try to blame him for Katherine's death. I could see Duffy talking his way out of a Markham retribution by becoming his ally, and they both go after Ava and that money. Just a guess. I think Markham's dream to become the King of Harlan has turned into a nightmare now that his Queen is dead. And Markham has already teamed with Raylan, so I'm not sure they'd do that again. It would not make since, seeing as how Markham is going after his money, and Raylan is trying to get to Ava before someone else finds her and kills her. **Update: Just read this: Spoiler alert: www.aintitcool.com/node/70992That's a no on Duffy. |
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 6, 2015 8:51:47 GMT -6
Two reasons Duffy is unlikely.
1. 99% reason. Duffy doesn't do dirty work. He either used Mikey or outsourced it. I don't see Duffy's value climbing the hills of Harlan. Who's left for dirty work is the question everyone should be asking.
2. 1% reason. Duffy just came off what looks liked a genuine emotional event where he showed his sympathy for a friend.. Even for Duffy working with Markham the next episode doesn't seem linear.
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 6, 2015 11:39:50 GMT -6
Good ideas. Markham just wants his money! Ava was never the original thief...it was Boyd. He must hate Boyd so I don't see him trusting Boyd. The joke would be Ava. Gives her a million and safe passage out of Harlan for the balance of his money. Markham knows Raylan is protecting Ava and he better not harm her. So she could be his unlikely ally. Markham is twisted and all he knows is where Katherine died and why she went after Duffy so he could not ever be an ally. If anything he sent Boone to kill the cockroach. One more day and those writers get to shock us again!!!! Could the unlikely be the marshal service?  Just more twist and turns? |
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 6, 2015 13:30:31 GMT -6
Ripe,
I have to say ... your idea of Ava is really a game changer. Some repercussions:
1. Ava would still be a fugitive. Not even Rylan can protect her without a body.
2. Markham has to either die, or be a fugitive himself; given the Marshals have the brother.
3. Rylan would then have to be fingered as complicit w/o the money and the CI.
4. The action has to move to Markham and Ava on the run with Rylan/Marshals giving chase?
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 6, 2015 15:22:43 GMT -6
Unlikely ally leaves so many questions...so many guesses and a theory to play with as we face this episode! How bout zachiriah...he isn't in it for the money! He is trying to save Ava and her suicide preview line gives away the hint he won't likely be in the finale.
Still find it hard to accept just two more hours of Raylan and the rest.
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Post by Dolphin on Apr 7, 2015 6:13:29 GMT -6
I'll throw my hat in the ring before tonight's episode airs.
An unlikely ally for Markham could be Raylan. They both want Boyd and need to find that money.
I've said this before. If I was writing the Penultimate cliffhanger of this show? Everyone is expecting a gun fight. Knowing Boyd and Rylan's history and Raylan's fear of mines? I would have Zachariah lead them into the mine to get the money, blow it up . . . and wait until next week for the smoke to clear before revealing in the finale who gets out alive. I'd hope it would be Raylan. And I'd hope to hear that Boyd tried to save Raylan . . . again, even if he doesn't make it out alive.
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Post by siss13 on Apr 7, 2015 7:36:37 GMT -6
I'll throw my hat in the ring before tonight's episode airs. An unlikely ally for Markham could be Raylan. They both want Boyd and need to find that money. I've said this before. If I was writing the Penultimate cliffhanger of this show? Everyone is expecting a gun fight. Knowing Boyd and Rylan's history and Raylan's fear of mines? I would have Zachariah lead them into the mine to get the money, blow it up . . . and wait until next week for the smoke to clear before revealing in the finale who gets out alive. I'd hope it would be Raylan. And I'd hope to hear that Boyd tried to save Raylan . . . again, even if he doesn't make it out alive. That's an interesting scenario. The writers have certainly focused on the mine this season. Boyd and Zachariah have escaped one mine blow up. I do wonder if the writers will actually use that scenario again. With Raylan and Boyd being extremely terrified of mines, I would hope they would not fall for another Zachariah trap, since he's already tried to use the mine as a death trap, and failed. But, it certainly would bring things back full circle, seeing as how Raylan and Boyd also survived a mine incident when they were younger, digging coal together. The irony of both of them dying in the mine together would be a heartbreaking, yet convincing ending. I keep remembering, Boyd also loves to blow shit up. It would be very ironic if he dies in an explosion, maybe one he actually orchestrates to kill someone else. Hope you are feeling better, dolphin |
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 7, 2015 7:44:23 GMT -6
Hey we made it on Jeopardy. We were the 1000 dollar question TV supporting shows and they listed two characters...Arlo and Boyd and no one got it. I of course jumped on it.
Choochoo was on Night Shift last night as a war vet paramedic hero who loses and gets it reattached arm.
I really can not see Raylan and Boyd meeting in a mine shaft but darn those writers like to shock us...Elmore style.
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Post by mondayschild on Apr 7, 2015 7:54:15 GMT -6
siss, I agree that another visit to the mine might be overkill...no pun intended. But what if Boyd confronted Zachariah there, one trying to kill the other, and they both went "boom? Perfect irony. I just want Raylan to be far enough away when it happens to see it, but not to be injured.
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Post by siss13 on Apr 7, 2015 8:07:19 GMT -6
Yes, mondayschild, that would be ironic indeed. Uncle Zach and Boyd seemed to be tickled pink by blowing stuff up. Live by the sword...
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Post by Dolphin on Apr 7, 2015 9:22:12 GMT -6
I said that's how I would have written it. Brought it right back to their early roots.
From the promo for this week's ep, I don't know there's enough time left to trap Raylan and Boyd together in a mine cave in, caused by explosives no doubt. Having Zakariah and Boyd out-explode one another would have been a nice touch!!
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 7, 2015 13:00:05 GMT -6
Dolphin,
Great to hear from you. Hope all is well!!
JC
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 7, 2015 14:01:23 GMT -6
While we are all in a two-week period between going through the seven stages of death .... And old rant of mine. I thought Justified didn't have enough young actors. And was surprised they upped the ante by adding Jere Burns (full time), and fellow +60-year olds Mary S. and Sam Elliot. I caught a lot of stuff over that rant. My point wasn't the actors. My point was that Justified - while superior to SOA - was likely prone to demographic problems. So I did a search and this site has up to date ratings tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/justified-final-season-six-ratings-35483/It's clear the big disconnect is between viewers skewing dramatically to 50+. I think Jusitifed - six years ago - was kinda of neo-Deadwood/Shield cool with Rylan and Boyd. Easy to see how that happened. But I think they met what we in business call a "high class problem". The show was just popular enough to run into its own inherent demographic weaknesses. Hence its easier to see why Justified has to come to an end. BTW. My young adult son thinks the show is cool. My two young adult daughters? Showed them TO like I was going to show them what I thought every daughter would think as handsome. Their reaction "who's the old guy"? What's so cool yesterday and is still cool to us; sometimes isn't cool, as each year, other's take our last age. And we take someone else's. JC |
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 7, 2015 14:26:23 GMT -6
Ageism has become a disease. For years I had no issue getting new clients...then I turned 60 and I swear everything just stopped. Now add my walker due to that fall and pending lawsuit and I have not worked in 16 months...not that I haven't been trying. I think fx is equally at fault. The Justified site is Facebook only. Social media and no I am not on any of those. I prefer my privacy. And if I had aged as well as TO.......he looks as good in 2015 as in 2010. Anyone see besides the gray at his temples....any real change? ? |
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 7, 2015 14:42:48 GMT -6
Ripe,
I am five years older than TO. What I would trade for his looks .... I am just saying that time has a way with all things ... and out of the mouths of babes.
Sorry for making 60+ sound bad. I don't think it is. See the three Justified stars.
As to ratings, I think the "key demographic" should begin to skew at least to 54 or 59. 49 was when our parents were 49. Today 40 is the old 30. And today's 50 is the old 40.
And all I know is I buy the same clothes, music, things my kids do.
I call this the "Banana Republic Affect". For seeing three generations shopping together. There isn't the same generation gap in tastes as there was when I was young. I get my clothes from the Buckle and Lucky Jeans. So do my two teens, and three young adults.
Just one flawed man's opinion.
JC
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Post by Dolphin on Apr 7, 2015 19:09:32 GMT -6
Ripe, I am five years older than TO. What I would trade for his looks .... I am just saying that time has a way with all things ... and out of the mouths of babes. Sorry for making 60+ sound bad. I don't think it is. See the three Justified stars. As to ratings, I think the "key demographic" should begin to skew at least to 54 or 59. 49 was when our parents were 49. Today 40 is the old 30. And today's 50 is the old 40. And all I know is I buy the same clothes, music, things my kids do. I call this the "Banana Republic Affect". For seeing three generations shopping together. There isn't the same generation gap in tastes as there was when I was young. I get my clothes from the Buckle and Lucky Jeans. So do my two teens, and three young adults. Just one flawed man's opinion. JC I'm older than TO and of the opposite sex. I'd love to look like him, too!  God blessed that one!! |
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Just more twist and turns?
