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Post by ripetebook on Mar 8, 2015 23:24:09 GMT -6
For those who like hints and maybe spoilers Www.inquisitr.com"Does ep 8 hold major clue to finale"
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Post by siss13 on Mar 9, 2015 6:44:26 GMT -6
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 9, 2015 7:58:34 GMT -6
Did you read as well as love the photos? Thinking Boyd has some tough times coming and Raylan was truly affected by Winona's offer/declaration of love and future life! Can I ask how you saw it?
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Post by siss13 on Mar 9, 2015 8:53:47 GMT -6
Yes, love to see Raylan in a Henley, jean jacket and hat. Can't believe we are in the final stretch.
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 9, 2015 10:15:27 GMT -6
Love how Raylan wears the layered look. When he came home to Winona the first time...he removed both denim and flannel as one unit...not that I noticed. I suspect timothy tends to get chilled easy so wears layers. Plus this season picked up on solid color button down shirts...again have been watching. Boyd never changes clothes style but Raylan sure does. For the record their clothes do define them. The joke about Boyd always is button down and Raylan always has that top one open.
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Post by bookperson39 on Mar 9, 2015 14:18:45 GMT -6
Thanks, Siss! I'm so torn about this season! I can't wait to find out what happens, but I don't want it to end! I'm sure we're all in the same boat!!!
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Post by motorcitymade on Mar 10, 2015 21:51:29 GMT -6
OK, this Episode was phenomenal! One of my absolute favorites. I can't stay up too late but here are my impressions;
Dialog-Outstanding. I hadn't seen this thread and recognized the line from Heat.
Raylan cleaning out "Arlo" reminded me of Ava sitting in her room in S1 cleaning out "Bowman" by cutting up his clothes and talking about the figurines he bought her. Same kind of feel.
Raylan got his Dexter moment with Arlo / Raymond J. Berry. Loved it!
Raylan new Ava had turned. He just knew. ( Did he tell Rachael she turned or burned?)
Had never thought Ava and Raylan were too much alike- but now I can see it a bit. What say you all?
Will someone p-p-p-ppppplease make a gif of Raylan and Boyd leaning over too look at the pile of money in the safe??? Did you all notice of the director of photography shot that scene? Magical. Long shot, then moving focus from Boyd to Raylan and back again for the facial reactions. Just epically good.
I kind of zoned out and had to go back in the buffer when the "who was the informant" storyline popped back up. Katherine said she called the Marshal's office looking for Art. She was IN the marshal's office in cuffs, no?? Is this a Plot flaw? Then they add dialog about a character that is already dead. I need to review and reprocess that. I in awe of KH's taste for vengeance, though.
Gutterson/Dialog was great. Loved the line about the fainting couch.
Elmore would have loved this episode! I have the plant stand from his writing room I bought at his estate sale. I often envisioned Elmore running his hand across it as he looked out the window pondering some plot twist or literary device. It was in a bay window at Elmore's house. I have it just outside my "library" room where the TV is, which is also near the entry. Well as this episode was on the plant stand shook a little bit and swayed the leaves of the spider plant I have on it. It is sturdy vertigres metal. Surely it must have been from the heat register below it? I know it in my scientific mind that people often read ridiculous meaning into coincidence. Still, I'd love to believe Elmore stepped into the room to watch Raylan and Boyd hash it out.. ...
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Post by mondayschild on Mar 10, 2015 22:21:40 GMT -6
I would like to believe that this is so,mcm. I am open to the other world. Elmore,forever! We can believe it is just coincidence or we can believe it is Elmore.
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 11, 2015 3:31:32 GMT -6
ALL,
MORE LATER TODAY. BUT I WROTE SOMETHING A FEW EPISODES BACK -
"Again in my RG-centric world, the Marshals and Vasquez only purpose, is to (a) make us more sympathetic to a hero, (b) show us that the hero doesn't do it by the book and (c) and expose their duplicity in berating RG but depending on him.
Like all the rest of Justified characters, they are simply there for context, as a flawed hero, who returns home, and against the greatest odds a writer could right, have him overcome his childhood scars, and exit as new man.
So if you are not liking the actions of the Marshals and Vasquez ... remember that if RG succeeds, he will be happy and leave KY. While the rest of them, have to stay".
IF THAT'S WHAT IS AT STAKE, EVERY SIGN FROM E.8 TELLS ME, RAYLAN THE FLAWED HERO, WHO RETURNS HOME, AND AGAINST THE GREATEST ODDS A WIRTER COULD WRITE, HAVE HIM OVERCOME HIS CHILDHOOD SCARS AND EXIT A NEW MAN ... WAS PLAYED OUT TO A TEE.
ITS EITHER THE LARGEST SET UP FOR DISAPPOINTMENT ... OR THE RIGHT ARC OF A SHOW THAT IS NOT ABOUT AN ANTI-HERO ... WHO HAD TO GO THROUGH THIS WALK OF FIRE TO EXIT HEALED.
JC
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Post by wkw99 on Mar 11, 2015 4:18:36 GMT -6
MCM, upon your recommendation, I'm going to have to watch this episode again. Maybe I was tired. Maybe it wasn't what I was expecting, but parts of last night's episode really disappointed me. First, it bugged me that there was no mention of Helen being buried there, too. She was important to Raylan. She's just forgotten? Then, I really expected more from Walker's exit, other than bang bang you're dead (although Raylan hadn't killed anyone outright in awhile). I thought Joelle was a bit flat (whenever I feel that way, I always wonder if the actor wasn't feeling well) and the scene with Arlo - while it was fantastic to see TO and Raymond Barry go at it again - seemed out of place on Justified. All in all, no where near a favorite for me. But, sometimes things grow on me, so based on MCM and JC's comments here, I will watch again. What I did like Raylan's scenes with Boyd, 'natch, and Markham. Art and Kathyrn doing the little dance. (Yes, MCM, she was in the Marshal's office last season, but I think Art was already shot and not there.) Oh, and a cool fact from Yost's post mortem...the DJ in the scene with Markham? He's a real DJ from Harlan. They called him and brought him in. His radio name is Crow...long before the show did the Crowe thing. That's the kind of thing this show does so well, incorporate real life things. I also liked the bit where Boyd tells his henchman to go home and he says he'd do anything for Boyd and Ava. Does he realize what he's saying? And isn't he the one who hung Dewey's necklace up in the bar? I'm just waiting for Raylan to see that. It's Chekov's necklace, and I'm going to be real disappointed if it never 'goes off'. I'll be back when I've watched again. Yost: www.yahoo.com/tv/justified-recap-dark-as-dungeon-113295471530.html
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Post by motorcitymade on Mar 11, 2015 5:40:37 GMT -6
I think I'm just more along the line of JCEO on this episode. This propelled us into the vortex that is Raylan, a peeled away some layers/scabs ala Peer Gynt. 'nuff said. I liked the scene where Ava and Raylan are yelling at each other...Remember the last time he yell in her face in S1? "You continue to be contrary" He yelled at her. I like Boyed coming down the steps with his arms in a feigned welcome-open ala Pilot-Fire in the Hole. I felt like this episode what such a perfect setup I said out loud "What are they going to do for four more episodes??" Remember, we have a casting notice on some characters who haven't arrived yet, including a young actor who's name I am forgetting at the moment; so there's more to come. This new character is teased to be a bad guy, and looks a little like Walton Goggins, so I'm wondering if we'll have a flashback. ?? After this episode, I hope it is quality and not quantity. I realize somehow the the Harlan supply chain manages to deliver just on time henchmen, but unless new peripheral character are essential to hurtleing us toward the final product ie; the showdown and resolution, they may be a distraction. Unless of course if it is goofy character bombs like Miiiike! dating a tennis pro. *Sob* I ship Mike and Wynn. *Sob* The reaction from KH was awesome. What a great actress Mary Steenbergen is! I also was bugged by Helen's Grave not being there, though. Tweet VJBoyd and Chang and whomp them upside the head, Wkw. Why those writers never learned to run the drafts by us is beyond me!!! LOL. Remember out "Plot Flaws" Thread on FX? I know it got read by some of the creative team and it bugged them that we caught those little things. So let 'em have it. I am still peeved that Winona's mother was raised from the dead and dear Fayleen turned in to Leslie. LOL. I realize I continue to write in bullet points, rather than coherent paragraphs. Sorry for that. Just be glad I'm a Mathelete when you drive. Ha ha ha ha
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Post by siss13 on Mar 11, 2015 6:55:04 GMT -6
Yes, MCM this episode was phenomenal, just flawless. My favorite also. Raylan talking to the ghost of his father could have been on the edge of cheesy, but the writers script, combined with Tim's acting was perfect. I do think Raylan is trying to rid himself of everything negative about Harlan. But I still think the writers have left a certain amount of doubt at end of the last couple of episodes, if Raylan will actually make it out of Harlan alive.
Again last night, his comment at the end, when his grave was being dug up was a bit unsettling in my opinion. Whatever the case, I'm glad he got rid of the grave stones. I think it's the only way he'll be able to sell that house of horrors. And is it just me, or does anyone else think his mother might still be alive? Or at least not in that grave site at the house?
Boyd, Boyd, Boyd. Take the $100,000 and get the hell out of Harlan! That's what I was screaming at the television. That was his last chance, I do believe. And he blew it. I was wondering if that was what Raylan really hoped he would do, so he could get on with his life in Florida. I think Ava now realizes just how insane Boyd really is. He has walked right into Raylan's trap. There is no way he's going to steal 10 million dollars from that safe. Not with Raylan watching his every move.
And now Raylan knows Ava's been burned, and he's figured out how Boyd intends to get the money. I tell you what, if Boyd has one more trick up his sleeve, the writers are doing a good job at making the viewers think otherwise. At least this viewer. And as crazy as it sounds, I'm still pushing for Boyd and Ava to get out of Harlan alive, but after last night, I'm losing hope.
Going to watch again tonight to see if I missed anything.
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Post by lovejustified on Mar 11, 2015 7:06:59 GMT -6
This episode was good, I thought, not great. As a whole I am so glad/relieved that they seem to have gotten back on track for the final *sniff*'season. Mostly I love the sheer quantity of main character screen time.
I don't think I watch with as discerning eye as some of you. I just kind of take it in. But I was absolutely yelling 'what about helen?' And as much as I like Arlo/Raymond I thought the scene was 'un-justified' enough to be quite dischordant. I, too, loved the fainting couch line.
I am so enjoying the Raylan, Boyd, Ava, Art, Rachel, Tim goings on that I was disappointed to be back to Katherine Hale. I am not sure if this is because I just dont like Mary Steenbergen or because the two main story lines have not come together for me yet.
I continue to adore Raylan in a henley and Wynn's eyebrows. I continue to be distracted by Sam Elliot's weird upper lip.
Its just my opinion, without a rewatch, but I didn't think Ava was flat. Or, rather, I didn't think Joelle was flat. I think She played Ava intentionally flat. My perception was of her as a trapped animal scurrying around looking for any way out, climbing walls and scratching things up, then finally, exhausted, laying down in a corner resigned to die. This episode seemed like she has come to terms with the fact she is not getting out of Harlan.
I wish Raylan would shut down Boyd's vault robbery. While that mine is still in play it remains an option for the finale. I am so afraid Boyd and Raylan's story will end back where it all started with two of them down a collapsing mine together. I dont't care about Boyd, he is a consciousless murderer, but Raylan must get to Winona and Willa.
MCM, my daughter is off to the state math team semi-finals today. Go matheletes. (I do confess to being amused that the team brings 'alternates'. I can't imagine the scenario where a mathelete would become injured and unable to play. LOL )
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 11, 2015 8:26:06 GMT -6
All,
(I can't count all the times I tried to lead the charge on the FX message board to better develop Raylan's mother Francis (Helen is RG's aunt and didn't have a tombstone). Enough has been thrown out there, - although she never has appeared - that she is a REAL character. We know she has some "hill" in her blood. We know she brokered a peace when a neighbor trumpeted her "sexual proclivities" and what he wanted to do with her. We know Arlo said she wasn't St. Francis. We know Hunter told Raylan that "if you end up being more like your mom you will alright, but I doubt it". And we know Limehouse knew her well and that made Raylan mad)
But by now, I guess, I have come to a level of peace with Justified being more character-driven than plot-driven. And just like Jed rotting away in jail for killing RG's aunt Helen when Dicky did it - which in my mind is just as big - I have given up waiting on Francis's backstory being flushed out.
Hence why I have loved the last two episodes. It's all about peeling back Raylan's inner-mind and seeing if this flawed hero, can come home, and leave after burying his past.
In the "Hunt" we saw that Winona and Willa were as important to him as his work. In this episode, he let go of his anger of Arlo, and is literally throwing away the shackles of Harlan, including removing his tombstone. If that's not a positive foreshadowing of him getting out of Harlan alive, I don't know what is.
After 8 episodes, if this final season is judged by Season 1 through Season 4 kind of plot lines, it can be said, it was a disappointment.
But if this is about Raylan - and the overarching character arc I have been writing about - it will have a deeper and more meaningful impact if he succeeds.
I think - and this is a big positive IMO - the writers either consciously or unconsciously wrote Boyd and Ava in a fatalistic manner - in order to clear the way for Raylan's character development to shine.
And it goes back to E1. Raylan hurts Dewey. But Boyd murders him. That told me all I needed to know about who is really "good" and who is bad.
In this episode, Boyd is being sacrificed because of his flaw of wanting the big score, instead of running. It's not smart-Boyd. It's not even a really good plot. But it does clear the way for Raylan to succeed.
As to Ava, the foreshadowing of her lawyer and Raylan telling Brooks she has been compromised, let's her off the hook from the law, and she will either go down with Boyd or she will manage to separate herself from Boyd. Even perhaps shooting him at the end. And again. This is a show that loves bookends.
But again if the season and the show is all about Raylan, and Raylan can't get out of Harlan without catching Boyd or Boyd being killed by someone else, then the path is has been increasingly blazed.
If I was TO, as an actor, I might want the character to die. It's a more fun way to act. And it allows him to rid himself of the character forever. But at the end of the day, Yost and FX, had to had, decided what the show is really about. And that will more than likely lead to a happy Raylan ending. Anything else at this point, would not be sticking true, to a hero who gets to ride out of town on a whiter horse than he initially returned home with.
(One small irk in this episode, is faking the ticking time bomb of the tunnel blast - along with the water glass shaking - just like when Raylan wakes up in the apartment over the bar after Winona leaves him - with Boyd leaving the safe and Raylan still being down there. It was meant to scare us that Raylan gets blown up. And boom, the next second, he is at his house and unharmed and unfazed. Again a weakness of plot and not a weakness of character development)
For the sappy RG-centric viewer like me, terrific and hopeful signs through E8. For others, maybe not so much.
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 11, 2015 11:03:19 GMT -6
To justifiedceo...we are so on the same page when it comes to Raylan.opening with his clearing out any and all remnants of arlo... And in a way his own demons. Then moving his parents....classic Raylan. Maybe Helen is not buried on the property. They had the service but have never hinted at a stone.she could be where Raylan said to put his mom. My initial impression was clearing things so he could see it all to Markham to finally get Boyd. But the end with the stones confused me.
Loved the scene in that arlo secret room. Raylan facing his worst fear and memory. And finding nothing. It was a true Raylan.centric episode and he is why I watch...so I loved this episode.
The Raylan Boyd confrontation was pitch perfect. No more dancing...they are up front about their goals and how adversary said goals are. Loved that Raylan knows Ava enough to know bulletville burned her CI status.,.prison now looms.
Finding art so invested that next he works with Raylan..another full circle move? Another healed layer for Raylan. I give Raylan and Winona more than 51-49. My bet..75-25.
Got more but I will need to think.
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 11, 2015 11:31:42 GMT -6
Ripe, Love that you are thinking like me. I don't know if I am reading the show right. But I do know that (a) it's logical and (b) it's the right character arc. In this decade and a half of the anti-hero, Justified took the risk of making a show about a hero, although flawed. The right path IMHO is not for the hero to die or for the hero to leave as flawed as he came in. Hence - and I just posted this to www.tv.com - If I could sum up what Justified is about in a sentence/question, it would be "flawed hero, comes home, faces his inner childhood demons and can he exit safely on a whiter horse than he rode in?" The "ending of the stones" ... instead of digging up his father and mother ... he decided to dig up HIS tombstone. He is not looking backward, he is looking forward. The foreshadowing is clear: RG doesn't buy into a childhood jinx anymore that "he can't leave Harlan alive". And you are dead on about Art. If Art - the father figure to Raylan - can come around to a level of respect and - dare I say it love - that would be an incredible and emotional cherry on top. Boyd? Sealed his fate. There is no climax in arresting Boyd on a RICO charge. The only climax for Boyd is death. At the hands of anyone? Perhaps. At the hands of Ava? Well, again, the show loves bookends. Chances? At least 75% JC
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 11, 2015 11:32:44 GMT -6
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 11, 2015 11:41:43 GMT -6
There is still those gator teeth and Boyd basically told Carl he means nothing...Carl is the one witness...to johnny crowder and Dewey crowe. Better watch your back Boyd. And earl and Carl...beware. And zachiriah...what is your plan?
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Post by wkw99 on Mar 11, 2015 16:26:27 GMT -6
OK...I watched again. I liked it better the second time, but I'm not sure it's the best episode this season. I really liked last week's, and not just because of Winona. (Stop sniggering, MCM! ). I will say that the dialogue in this episode was tops. It also set up a lot of what is to come. JC, I agree that this truly sets Raylan on the road out of Harlan. I'm still nervous about the potholes he might encounter along the way, but I agree that if Raylan dies, this has been a show about nothing. Boyd's days are numbered, I believe, but I still think Ava might just squeak out in the end. BTW...on second viewing, GhostDad didn't seem as out of place. My husband reminded me that it's not unprecedented on Justified; GhostHelen visited Arlo a couple of times, but of course, he was off his meds. This won't end up being one of my favorites along the lines of Reckoning or Decoy, or even Hatless or Bulletville, but I can see what you all see in it.
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Post by motorcitymade on Mar 11, 2015 18:02:53 GMT -6
I wish Raylan would shut down Boyd's vault robbery. While that mine is still in play it remains an option for the finale. I am so afraid Boyd and Raylan's story will end back where it all started with two of them down a collapsing mine together. I dont't care about Boyd, he is a consciousless murderer, but Raylan must get to Winona and Willa. MCM, my daughter is off to the state math team semi-finals today. Go matheletes. (I do confess to being amused that the team brings 'alternates'. I can't imagine the scenario where a mathelete would become injured and unable to play. LOL ) Hi LJ, I told Wkw this morning that the mine is going to collapse in on Raylan and Boyd. I just have a feeling this will happen. I don't know why. It was just an epiphany when I texted it. Raylan walks in, gun at eye level, and...... The Mine is going to collapse! The Mine is going to collapse! I'm having an extential final destination premination. Ah ha ha ha ha . Could it be, as Graham has reminded us over and over, that you are never dead until you are pronounded dead on the show? Will we be lead to believe they have died only to see a movie revival? Sounds a bit Yost-y doesn't it? My spousal unit has another theory, also based on the mine collapsing, that young Boyd and young Raylan will wake up in the mine and it will all have been a dream brounght on by Hypoxia. (Laughing) Jon got the idea from Graham's comment about Seth Bulloch dreaming Raylan. Obviously ridiculous, but I kinda like it. Wkw, Dolphin; a fan fic, please!!! Good on your daughter for being a girl in STEM, and you, LJ for helping her flourish in it. It's been a great carreer for me, especially with my f-up health. And you would be suprised just how strenous partial differental equasions and triple intergral calculus can be! Slide rules are dangerous. Very dangerous, indeed.
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Post by mare27 on Mar 11, 2015 21:22:54 GMT -6
There is still those gator teeth and Boyd basically told Carl he means nothing...Carl is the one witness...to johnny crowder and Dewey crowe. Better watch your back Boyd. And earl and Carl...beware. And zachiriah...what is your plan? I agree, Dewey's death has to come into play...and Carl's face when listening to Boyd holler at Zachariah...his wheels are turning, what about me? Carl is a loose end for Boyd, like you said, Johnny and Dewey... Did Zachariah kill Pig just to get more money for himself...unclear...
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Post by mare27 on Mar 11, 2015 22:01:46 GMT -6
I had mixed feelings about this episode as well, on first viewing...I think it was because I liked last week's so much and was hoping for clarification on Willa's heart problem/doctor appt...what did Winona find out?...or did she go back to Florida right afterwards?...I would have liked some mention.
Upon watching it again, I have to say I liked it a lot more the second time round. I have given up on trying to guess what the writers have in mind. I would not have ever guessed that Walker would show up at Ava's house... That Boyd would reveal in the mine, just how little he values Carl, did you see his expression? That Raylan would reveal to Boyd exactly why he is still in Harlan and wasn't that a great scene between them? That Raylan would work with Markham to set up the visit to the safe. That was great! That the writer's have now introduced the idea of yet another character (named by Duffy and Kathryn, Gordon Keith?)...who cares, do not bring in more new characters at this late date, please! That Ava both gave Raylan some new info on Boyd (the mine location)and lied to him, (nothing happened in Bulletville)I thought she was back on Boyd's team, but she is really just making decisions as they come up...again, a gal without a plan, just trying to stay alive... but Raylan knows that Boyd knows...oh man!
I loved the scenes of Raylan emptying the house of Arlo's worldly goods, it's about time. Being with Winona and baby has motivated him to cut ties and clean house. I liked the shed scene, with the appearance of Arlo. It was a nice way to bring in Raymond Barry for a quick encore at the end, acknowledging his important role in the whole story. and provide closure, even tho I hate that term. I think it was a writer's error not to include a mention of Helen, but maybe the service for her was there, but she wasn't actually buried there? Should have mentioned her...at least.
Having read some of the recent posts made today, I really hope that the scenario of the mine collapse with Boyd and Raylan inside, is NOT the way this goes. I do not want to see an ending like Butch Cassidy with the bullets flying (mine collapsing) and the frame freezing on our two guys! please , NO! Not a Sopranos ending either!
I would like to see them all survive, but probably unlikely, I hope Boyd and Ava are punished in some way...and Raylan getting to leave town, uninjured!
I don't think Elmore would have wanted Raylan to die at the end, but he was all for losing "the hat"- that would not upset me!
" I have to admit, a part of me is going to miss this when it's all over..." truer words, never spoken!
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 12, 2015 8:42:12 GMT -6
All,
I know you all know my position of the show. WKW said it best. If you believe in my Raylan-centric evolution narrative, Raylan dying means the show has been about NOTHING.
As to the mine-shaft fear, that indeed might be the Sapronos way out. Blown up shaft and fade to black. Leaving the fate of characters unresolved.
But that ending has two problems. One of course, is the abandonment of Raylan, being a flawed hero, who exits Harlan on a whiter horse than he enters town in.
The second being how Justified is filmed. Justified - Yost has bemoaned for six years on how little money they have - is more like a theatre set. All the major action is in rooms with the characters providing the sparks. Take a close look at almost all the scenes filmed inside. If you look closely enough - be it Raylan's motel room, Ava's kitchen, Raylan's boyhood home, Boyd's bar, Lindsey's bar - they are all filmed on the same set. They also depend on having as many characters as possible interacting on one set.
It boggles the mind to think how un-Justified an ending would be, in a dank dark tunnel.
Having said that, E12 is called "Fugitive Number One". That implies Boyd is being chased. Perhaps with or without Ava. Mine-shafts could be his escape route. E12 is called "Collateral Damage". So everything is perhaps in place for a mine-shaft ending and the collateral damage of catching Boyd being Raylan.
Personally I think, and I hope, this is just more misdirection by the show. But if it is not, then this show is going to be about, the illusion of anyone being able to leave Harlan alive.
A legacy arc that has some merit. But little appeal. And instead of being the one hero-based show in a decade and a half of anti-heros ... sadly instead of being totally original ... an imitation of the Sapronos, which was the maximum ending benefit to a criminal, and in the case of Justified, the unfair ending at the detriment to a law man.
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 12, 2015 9:23:31 GMT -6
8 think the very last place we will ever see Raylan is in a mineshaft. He loathes those places and since anyone down there must come up and out...lawman Givens can just wait. I sense Carl and even earl go at Boyd but being who they are...kill Ava by mistake? Something huge must bring Raylan and Boyd to that final table one on one. And it will be epic. I still have hope that Raylan takes his new found release from all his demons and goes for that 51% chance of a family life with the two women he loves. Just the act of trying is a huge step for Raylan.
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 12, 2015 9:28:39 GMT -6
All,
Either a nit or something bigger.
Upon watching E8 a second time, RG SAYS HIS MOTHER WAS BURIED IN 2000 AND HIS FATHER RECENTLY.
THE PROBLEM - Say at best, Raylan is 43 (as RG tells Dicky while deciding whether to kill him in the dark woods - he graduated from college and he got the money from his Aunt Helen to do it. "She raised that child as her own after her sister died" and tells the court "I am Raylan Givens and I have been a marshal for 23 years").
That means his mother died when he was in his late 20s.
And before you say it is Aunt Helen ... she died well after 2000.
SO THIS IS EITHER THE BIGGEST PLOT SCREW UP OF ALL TIME, OR A POTENTIAL REVEAL THAT HIS MOTHER FRANCIS DID INDEED DIE, BUT LEFT RAYLAN AND ARLO WHEN HE WAS YOUNG, AND HE RESENTS HIS MOTHER AND RESENTS HIS FATHER FOR MAKING HER LEAVE THEM.
Perhaps this is why Limehouse made RG mad when he said "Do you want to talk about your MAMA"
JC
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