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Post by Dolphin on Aug 26, 2013 10:29:22 GMT -6
Wow. Whatever scenario could they come up with that would make it okay for Raylan to have very long hair? Doesn't the Marshal Service have a dress code? We last saw Raylan, suspended, yet on a career high. I suppose they could write him under cover (but that's really a stretch). He could take a leave of absence and stay in Harlan (maybe under cover) to go after Boyd and his new venture. Or he could go off the deep end. But I wouldn't buy either of these. TO's gone the way of Jeff Bridges and Brad Pitt in the long hair and scruff department. I'm hoping it's only temporary for a role. Please let it be temporary. It could be a personal choice, but I can't believe he thinks he looks good. LOL. I don't mind longer hair, but this is just getting stringy and greasy looking. Ugh. Jeff Bridges always looked good with the scruff. Brad Pitt, too, to a certain point. TO is past that point. Way past. And like you, dolphin, I don't see how they realistically make this work in the show. Yep, there's that point of no return. I recall both Jeff Bridges and Brad Pitt reaching that point (I think Bridges was doing a movie, a couple of movies.)
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 26, 2013 10:31:02 GMT -6
THAT'S BECAUSE I WAS ARRESTED. Who bailed you out?
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Post by katcoblue on Aug 26, 2013 20:44:21 GMT -6
Thanks for the links Dolphin. Heavy hearts everywhere.
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Post by mondayschild on Aug 26, 2013 21:51:15 GMT -6
Oh, mcm. If you were truly arrested we would all be there to bail you out. No questions asked.
That being said, I am glad that I am not the only one who is upset with Timothy's recent appearance (the long, greasy look.) I understand that there can be a certain "look"for a certain role. I hope this is all that it is. I would hate to think that he is going all "indie" on us. Timothy is not a fame whore. He is his own person.He takes the roles that he wants to take and fame be damned. He eschews the limelight. He has been great at keeping his family sheltered from a lot of the publicity nonsense. But is he the ultimate iconoclast who doesn't give a shit? Boy, I hope not. I am looking forward to season 5 of Justified with a reasonably well groomed Raylan.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 27, 2013 1:13:32 GMT -6
Oh, mcm. If you were truly arrested we would all be there to bail you out. No questions asked. That being said, I am glad that I am not the only one who is upset with Timothy's recent appearance (the long, greasy look.) I understand that there can be a certain "look"for a certain role. I hope this is all that it is. I would hate to think that he is going all "indie" on us. Timothy is not a fame whore. He is his own person.He takes the roles that he wants to take and fame be damned. He eschews the limelight. He has been great at keeping his family sheltered from a lot of the publicity nonsense. But is he the ultimate iconoclast who doesn't give a shit? Boy, I hope not. I am looking forward to season 5 of Justified with a reasonably well groomed Raylan. Oh, yes, MCM. We would totally bail you out.
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Post by motorcitymade on Aug 27, 2013 6:49:54 GMT -6
LOL. J/K I was up north for a four day vacation at the Tawas Blues Festival with a bunch of musicians and our friends. It's our end of summer pilgrimage to Lake Huron.
That being said, if I wasn't, I would have totally went to the viewing on Friday; but the funeral was by invitation only; crashing a funeral is where I draw the line, Olyphant in audience or no.
I didn't see him in any pics outside the church, so he probably made a quick exit.
I told my spousal unit that I wrote "cause I got arrested" and asked him to help me come up with an anecdote that would end in a funny joke, and he said "Tell them you're a casket jumper." LOL He got that one watching Six Feet Under.
Oh yeah; tim's hair is too straight to wear that long; unless it was really, really long, like long hippy pony tail long; and even then, I can't see it on him.
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Post by motorcitymade on Aug 28, 2013 7:14:27 GMT -6
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Post by mare27 on Aug 28, 2013 8:41:16 GMT -6
motorcity- what a great column! thanks for sharing! I just read PRONTO 2 weeks ago and I agree with everything this guy wrote. I hope everyone who reads this, who has not seen Justified, will be drawn in.... Last night I started GLITZ and I could not put it down, still reading at 2:30am! Raylan is not in this early one, but I can see some characteristics in Vincent, reminds me of our favorite marshal.
thanks.
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Post by mare27 on Aug 28, 2013 8:45:51 GMT -6
don't you think the long hair must be a requirement of one of the films he's working on? the cartel movie in Mexico, or the cannibals in the Western, in Utah, I think? I assume those are in progress or almost done and then that long hair will be gone. I didn't mind it at the beginning of season 4, but watching the DVDs from the beginning reminds me how great he looked with the shorter hair in Season one. am I right?
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Post by mare27 on Aug 28, 2013 8:50:26 GMT -6
that photo of Tim at the funeral with his wife and Yost shows such a real expression of sorrow, it almost feels like an invasion of their privacy... it was touching. Obviously a lot of love at that event, such a loss.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 28, 2013 11:21:47 GMT -6
That's a fantastic article. Love the way she shifted to the series. I'm sending this to a friend I've been dripping on to watch Justified. I know she'd love it. (She's from Louisiana ... loves Breaking Bad and Duck Dynasty!) She's part of my personal 2013 Justified New Viewer Campaign.
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Post by Dolphin on Aug 28, 2013 11:25:29 GMT -6
don't you think the long hair must be a requirement of one of the films he's working on? the cartel movie in Mexico, or the cannibals in the Western, in Utah, I think? I assume those are in progress or almost done and then that long hair will be gone. I didn't mind it at the beginning of season 4, but watching the DVDs from the beginning reminds me how great he looked with the shorter hair in Season one. am I right? His hair was great in Season 1. Especially towards the end. We're getting there on our re-wind. We'll have to pay attention to when the hair went longer. It wasn't just his. Tim's did, too. Art's is always short.
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Post by weegieburd on Aug 28, 2013 12:12:58 GMT -6
That is a great article MCM...I haven't read any of Elmore's books but I have one on the shelf waiting for me....I really need to read the "Raylan" ones though.
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Post by andiiv on Aug 28, 2013 15:44:31 GMT -6
I read all of the Raylan novels on holiday last year and I only went for a week. They're a blast and perfect poolside reading.
I've read loads of Elmore over the years. Mainly his western stuff which I highly recommend.
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Post by mare27 on Aug 30, 2013 22:07:45 GMT -6
there is a photo I'd like to post here, but can't figure out how to do it. I'm looking at the actions tab, can't seem to find an instruction.
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Post by motorcitymade on Aug 30, 2013 22:33:52 GMT -6
You have to host it at photobucket or another internet photo sharing site, then you attach it with the attachment icon ( looks like a picture in a frame) by "pointing to" the internet address where you have it stored.
Otherwise, if you Reply to the last post by clicking the Oval-ish Reply button at the top of the thread, you can add it as an attachment from your local hard drive, but it shrinks the photo to only a few hundred pixels, 1MB Max size, because it is actually attached rather than just referenced as are the pictures stored at photobucket or other photo sharing locations in the cloud.
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Post by motorcitymade on Sept 1, 2013 11:46:28 GMT -6
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Post by weegieburd on Sept 1, 2013 12:08:15 GMT -6
I hadn't seen that article MCM, I am sure they all will feel his loss acutely, especially at the moment in the writers' room.
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Post by mare27 on Sept 3, 2013 7:46:14 GMT -6
Here is something I found in the NY times re Elmore's last novel. A Final Book Is Planned From Elmore LeonardCompiled by ADAM W. KEPLER Published: August 25, 2013
"Peter Leonard, a son of the author Elmore Leonard, who died last week at 87, hopes to complete his father’s last novel, BBC News reported. In an interview on the BBC Radio news program “Broadcasting House” on Sunday, Mr. Leonard, who is also a published author, said that the matter had “been discussed among family members and I’ve talked to Greg Sutter, Elmore’s longtime researcher.” He added that he did not know how many pages his father had already written. The book, which has the working title “Blue Dreams,” was originally conceived to feature a rogue Immigration and Customs Enforcement agent, bull riding and Mr. Leonard’s popular federal marshal character, Raylan Givens. "
I wondered if son would finish father's last book.
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Post by mare27 on Sept 17, 2013 18:32:05 GMT -6
Here is something I found in the LA times, written the day Elmore passed. It is new to me and mentions how much Elmore enjoyed TO on Justified and the show as a whole. Forgive me if you have already seen this:
Elmore Leonard 'got a kick out of' 'Justified,' show creator says
Timothy Olympant in "Justified" Timothy Olyphant portrays Raylan Givens in FX's "Justified," a TV series that sprang from an Elmore Leonard short story. (Prashant Gupta/FX) By Glenn Whipp August 20, 2013, 4:24 p.m.
Elmore Leonard, like many writers, fashioned a method of self-preservation when it came to dealing with Hollywood. When he sold his novels — and he sold many — he cashed the paycheck and then let them go.
But with the FX drama "Justified," Leonard didn't let go. The show's pilot sprang from Leonard's 2001 story "Fire in the Hole," which returned U.S. Marshal Raylan Givens, a supporting character in Miami-based novels "Pronto" and "Riding the Rap," back to his home state of Kentucky.
Before tackling the adaptation, the show's creator Graham Yost gave each member of his "Justified" writing staff various novels that the prolific Leonard had written so they could understand the rhythm and tone of his work. Yost also gave them each a bracelet inscribed with the letters WWED (What Would Elmore Do), an accessory Yost still wears.
Leonard, who died Tuesday at age 87, didn't interfere with the adapation, but he did offer a suggestion after he saw the pilot. "You might want to keep Boyd around," Leonard told Yost, referring to the Kentucky career criminal who worked with Raylan in the Harlan County coal mines before becoming his primary antagonist — and whom Leonard had killed off in his story.
"His other line about Boyd," Yost remembers, referrring to actor Walton Goggins' performance, "was, 'I don't believe a word he says, but I love to hear him say it.' "
Yost, in a phone interview Tuesday, said it will be difficult to move ahead with the show, now entering its fifth season, without Leonard.
"Once he saw what we were doing on 'Justified,' that with every breath and every episode we were trying our best to pay tribute to him and do a show the way he would do it, he enjoyed that," Yost said. "The best reviews we've ever gotten were people in the Marshal Service got a kick out of it and people in Harlan County got a kick out of it, but most importantly, Elmore Leonard got a kick out of it."
And the admiration was mutual. After Timothy Olyphant, who plays the cool Kentucky lawman Givens on the show, casually asked Leonard to fashion another story centered on the character, Leonard wrote three, intertwined in the 2012 book "Raylan." And, in a nod to the series, Leonard included characters that Yost and his writers had created independently and even brought back Boyd Crowder, even though, technically he had died in Harlan County's literary world.
"We got a big kick out of that," Yost said. "It was really sweet."
After he wrote "Raylan," Leonard told Yost to "hang it up and strip it for parts," giving them his blessing to incorporate anything they wanted into the TV series. The "Justified" writing team did just that, creating a couple of Season 4 subplots from the book's material. Yost said that the process is ongoing and that there will be elements from the novel in the show's upcoming season.
Leonard, in fact, was still taken enough with the Raylan character to include him in the story he was working on before he died.
"It's about a bull rider who gets into trouble in the Imperial Valley and spends some time in prison and is trying to make a new life for himself. But, of course, things don't go well," Yost said. "He had gone back and forth as to whether Raylan was going to appear in it, and he had finally decided, 'Yeah. I'm going to bring Raylan in. He'll come to the Imperial Valley.'"
The appeal of the lawman, to the writer and the actor who plays him on the TV series, comes from a sense that he was born maybe 100 years too late.
"He seems to operate as though he's been hired to uphold the law in a different time," Olyphant told The Times in a 2011 interview. "In one of Elmore's books, there was this great passage about Raylan standing in front of one of these old pictures of Old West marshals, wondering how he'd size up against a guy like that. That old sensibility, contrasted with what modern law enforcement is today, is part of the fun of it."
"I'm not that cool, I tell you that," Olyphant added. "We wear a hat about as well. That's about it."
Leonard, on the other hand, Yost says, embodied that calm, collected sense of self-assurance.
"When he signed a book for someone, he would always write, 'Take it easy, Elmore Leonard,' " Yost says. "That was his motto. He was a very cool guy. I didn't see him ever upset. I'm sure that happened. He's a human being. But he had an ease about him. His best characters were all like that. Chili Palmer. Raylan. Jack Foley. They all had that kind of no-fuss, no-muss element. And that was Elmore all the way."
glenn.whipp@latimes.com
Copyright © 2013, Los Angeles Times
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Post by ripetebook on Sept 18, 2013 13:27:59 GMT -6
thanks mare - never saw this before...loved reading it.
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Post by mare27 on Sept 18, 2013 18:46:51 GMT -6
you're welcome, it was fun to find something like this!
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Post by Dolphin on Sept 18, 2013 19:11:18 GMT -6
I finally have some time to read this article. As a fan, I LOVE the mutual admiration and respect Leonard, Yost, and TO held/hold for one another. It's rare in the industry when this happens, and it's well deserved by all. The show is firing on all cylinders thanks to the unique contributions of each of these men. It's alchemy. This article echoes the relationship we saw in "Justified: Elmore Leonard, Timothy Olyphant, and Graham Yost Live at the Paley Center." It's the genuine deal, the real McCoy, and that translates to us fans. That golden energy is passed on to the writers, casting, acting, location, scoring. The choreography and stunts! Thanks for the article, Mare27!! Did you hear Mad Men is doing one of those 2 season finales (7 or 8 eps per final 2 seasons a la Breaking Bad ... instead of running one final season)? I wonder if this is the way of the future?
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Post by motorcitymade on Dec 14, 2014 10:47:11 GMT -6
Had to put this under the RIP Elmore thread. I think Tim's expression is speaks for it's self.
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Post by Dolphin on Dec 14, 2014 10:54:46 GMT -6
Had to put this under the RIP Elmore thread. I think Tim's expression is speaks for it's self. Not that it has anything to do with TO's expression (I think we know he was genuinely fond of Elmore Leonard. Loved his work before he ever saw the script for Justified.) . . . But I really do believe that Elmore's death was the beginning of the end of the show. He was the inspiration for the writing. He fed the writing crew new short stories, was working on a new one that was to include Raylan when he died.
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