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Post by ripetebook on Apr 9, 2015 14:00:47 GMT -6
as true veterans of this show....the fact that Dewey's necklace was dropped at the site of Ava's abduction....please it means something!!!!!!!!!!! And we all want him to pay for that killing....and yeah if Bob lives and I strongly suspect he will...Boyd will be wearing orange for a very very long time.
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 9, 2015 16:38:30 GMT -6
Ripe,
Did you read my post. It was the last on page 1. I think I answered the "why" on Dewey's neckless.
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 9, 2015 18:19:57 GMT -6
Still think the writers love playing with us! That necklace matters. Could be found by Raylan...or Boyd? It means something!
And the person Ava spoke to.....zachiriah! She may not know about his suicide!!! So with everyone tracking her...she can only trust her uncle.
Just ideas. To help us get thru the four last days....omg it is almost over.
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 9, 2015 19:19:14 GMT -6
Ripe, I am here for you. I know we both are counting down our final days. So I am happy to respond as many times as possible.  But I am not sure I am getting my point across. Yes the neckless matters. It matters because it marks the spot of Ava's abduction. It matters because someone is going to find it. It matters because Rylan knows there are local cops that are bent and with Markham. All he has to do ... and every law vehicle has it ... is a to ask for the GPS trail of the bent cop he met when he picked up Karl's little brother. Said bent cop sells Markham out. Rylan and perhaps Art - assuming I am right that Rylan has his badge back - go after Markham to get Ava and arrest them. This leaves Boon on the loose. No money score nor a boss. So he naturally goes off and tries to compromise Loretta. Rylan saves Loretta. Hope this helps! JC |
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 9, 2015 20:57:10 GMT -6
Rational answer! But this is Justified!!!!! I am assuming a finale that leaves us blown away! And we loved Dewey. He was murdered and what better ending than justice on the person who killed him!
I do hear you...I just sense they have one or more cool bits to leave us with. Like Zach was the one who hid the money and with him dead..the money is buried somewhere. That money drove the season and in the end....the mountains will hold the secret? Bits and secrets..
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Post by kentuckygal on Apr 9, 2015 23:22:49 GMT -6
Ripe, I am here for you. I know we both are counting down our final days. So I am happy to respond as many times as possible. But I am not sure I am getting my point across. Yes the neckless matters. It matters because it marks the spot of Ava's abduction. It matters because someone is going to find it. It matters because Rylan knows there are local cops that are bent and with Markham. All he has to do ... and every law vehicle has it ... is a to ask for the GPS trail of the bent cop he met when he picked up Karl's little brother. Said bent cop sells Markham out. Rylan and perhaps Art - assuming I am right that Rylan has his badge back - go after Markham to get Ava and arrest them. This leaves Boon on the loose. No money score nor a boss. So he naturally goes off and tries to compromise Loretta. Rylan saves Loretta. Hope this helps! JC Thank you for the clarification, JCEO. That makes sense. I knew the necklace was the bread crumb trail Ava was leaving for Raylan since he was the only person other than Boyd who would recognize its significance, but I didn’t know how that would lead them to her whereabouts. Perhaps that will be Dewey’s one positive contribution in all this. The used dog grooming van (emphasis on “used”) is a near genius idea for smuggling something or someone out of Harlan. If Wynn and a concealed Ava are stopped at a police checkpoint, any evidence sniffing dogs would be too confused and distracted by the scent of puppies past to give their handlers any clear signals about a stowaway or hidden money. (Think “Cool Hand Luke” and the pepper trail.) At this point I believe Ava will survive and she will leave Harlan alive, but I don’t think she’ll do it by turning state’s evidence against Boyd. Vasquez has washed his hands of her. The Feds don’t need her to make a case against Boyd for the murder of the truck driver or the attempt on Constable Bob’s life. Even a lousy lawyer could shred her testimony, character and credibility in a court of law. If Raylan takes her in she is going back to prison, even if it is for a shortened amount of time while a lawyer pleads for time served, false charges (Officer Fekkus), extenuating circumstances (shabby treatment by the AUSA’s office, good faith effort to gather evidence while living in genuine fear for her life), etc. But every day that Ava spends in prison amongst Boyd’s enemies poses a threat to her life. Could this be the one time that Raylan sets aside his personal and professional code (and pride), steps out for a dip cone and intentionally allows a fugitive in his custody to escape? Would that act lead him to resign from the marshal service? I hope not, because Raylan without his identity as a Marshal is truly an unmoored man. Or will Raylan’s belief that you ride the rap overrule his sympathy for Ava? As for Markham’s money, I think the only portion that will leave Harlan is contained in that backpack. Uncle Zachariah probably lowered the rest of it down a rickety, abandoned, unmapped mine shaft. Maybe, as ripetebook said, it will become one of the mountain’s secrets, a source of folk tales and a lure for treasure hunters. Or maybe crafty Zach has one last surprise left for the greedy rats drawn to that cheese------ a detonator that blows the whole shebang to smithereens. THAT would be so Elmore! |
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 10, 2015 7:32:25 GMT -6
Again great to hear from you Kentucky Girl,
As to the neckless, I think I am 75% right. At best, I am 50-50 trying to bet on Justified. Neckless being seen in so many episodes, combined with Yost's comments, led me to believe it meant "something". The counterpoint to my logic is it involves perhaps too many steps.
Love your dog grooming hypothesis!!! Never thought about that. I have asked myself why would Wynn Duffy help Ava besides the money? Taking Markham's money doubly pays for Mikey's death. But why Ava?
FINALLY, how did we get to the last episode, with one of the biggest emphasis being on Ava?
This finale has to finalize the star of the show's narrative. Does he return home, confront his childhood demons, and exit on a whiter horse than he came in on? Or did he come home and he succumbed to it?
All of this other screen time and loose ends - now that I know the finale will not be extended - just takes Rylan time away.
We all - and I know I am surrounded in this forum by the better gender - tuned into this show because of TO (I liked him as an actor in Deadwood and Perfect Getaway).
So any ending of this show, that doesn't give Rylan enough screen time and answer/leave clues, to his greater narrative, IMHO will be tragic. Don't we deserve that after watching for six years?
JC
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Post by siss13 on Apr 10, 2015 7:43:15 GMT -6
Yep. I can totally see this scenario happening. I believe Raylan just wants to make sure Ava does not get killed at this point. He's not worried about sending her back to prison. He's too focused on destroying Boyd. Now, this same scenario could very well be the reason Raylan gives up or loses his badge. I think he's finally realized his family is more important than the badge. He's aiming to get Boyd, save Ava, and get to Florida, with or without his badge. That's my take on it. But anything could happen next week.
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 10, 2015 10:22:18 GMT -6
Is he at risk of watching Willa grow up thru prison glass? Wasn't that one of Art's comments....besides "sometimes the bullet finds you" and the classic Raylan response..."unlikely" except he gave the arlo property away now in case he doesn't make it off the mountain. And Vasquez final scene leaves it open as to the BOLO and indictment of Raylan for crimes NOT COMMITTED!!!!!
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 10, 2015 13:59:38 GMT -6
Ripe,
1. He said if he didn't make it off the mountain. That was a joke. He is off the mountain and in "custody". We know he has his badge back from the previews. Vasquez and his b.s. is over. All the way around.
2. Again Vasquez is off the show in E13. Yost already said that. All of this was a plot device to let RG go rouge, put him out of harms way, until Art can save him.
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 10, 2015 17:34:54 GMT -6
I thought for most if not all of the episode Raylan had no sense of humor! He was darn serious and focused on....killing Boyd. And I think knowing that was his chosen decision was enough to end any humor. I think the other focused man on the mountain was Zach. He knew his way to keep Ava safe...was his own suicide... Taking Boyd too! Sadly he failed.
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 10, 2015 18:37:22 GMT -6
Ripe,
We knew Zachariah was a good man when Ava hugged him.
There a three types of people in Harlan. And "redneck" is a term that is being pounded out of existence by this show. There are intelligent criminals, there are intelligent people who can see opportunities and there are intelligent people who are victims. Zachariah refused to be a criminal and refused to be a victim. He was smart and principled.
To counter Zachariah, you had the special appearance of the "truck hostage". Smart, principled but a victim. Just like the couple who were killed by carbon monixide Just like Loretta's next of kin.
I thought Rylan's sense of humor, as always, was dry, witty and emotionally detached. Watch his scene with the hill guy again. As always he sees a situation for what it is ... and while expressing sympathy for Mary, is astute enough to know he is being surrounded.
The only purpose for Rylan to go rouge, has to be, that he was tempted in the 40 days of a desert, only to enter back into the light. Just as he almost went rouge with Dickey in the dark forest before doing the right thing, in S2.
IMO, the writers, upon closer examination, needed to one last time, have Rylan temped by his inner demons, only to shine at the end.
JC
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Post by kentuckygal on Apr 11, 2015 13:21:39 GMT -6
Ripe, We knew Zachariah was a good man when Ava hugged him. There a three types of people in Harlan. And "redneck" is a term that is being pounded out of existence by this show. There are intelligent criminals, there are intelligent people who can see opportunities and there are intelligent people who are victims. Zachariah refused to be a criminal and refused to be a victim. He was smart and principled. To counter Zachariah, you had the special appearance of the "truck hostage". Smart, principled but a victim. Just like the couple who were killed by carbon monixide Just like Loretta's next of kin. I thought Rylan's sense of humor, as always, was dry, witty and emotionally detached. Watch his scene with the hill guy again. As always he sees a situation for what it is ... and while expressing sympathy for Mary, is astute enough to know he is being surrounded. The only purpose for Rylan to go rouge, has to be, that he was tempted in the 40 days of a desert, only to enter back into the light. Just as he almost went rouge with Dickey in the dark forest before doing the right thing, in S2. IMO, the writers, upon closer examination, needed to one last time, have Rylan temped by his inner demons, only to shine at the end. JC Nice post. Yes, exactly, the last temptation of Raylan. Look at the lighting, photography and positioning of the characters. It has a Garden of Gethsemane crossed with a spare Western vibe. You half expect to see Boyd curl himself around a tree as he taunts Raylan. Sure the stakes and the temptations are different and Raylan is no sainted figure, but he is a hero and an essentially good man who has momentarily lost sight of who he is and who he isn't. Maybe I'm w-a-y off in the way I perceived that scene. But the look of it and the unnatural quiet of the setting just had a Biblical feel the second time I watched it. I think it's one of Justified's great, underappreciated scenes. Because anyone who views it purely as a showdown between two badasses comes away disappointed. |
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 11, 2015 13:50:54 GMT -6
Could it be them finally one on one making it crystal clear...their intentions? They've danced for so long...this episode..the dance is over. Previews have them alone in a cabin...for maybe the big showdown. I am still hopeful that Raylan does leave Harlan alive! I want Willa to have a daddy! I want Raylan to get to be her daddy...I think he has the heart for the job.he seems to "know shit about girls" and not just....well you get where I am going.
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Post by justifiedceo on Apr 11, 2015 14:34:36 GMT -6
Ripe. Your thoughts I think are universally shared. Rylan getting out alive is optimal. Rylan leaving the show - dead or alive - a hero with a badge IMO is a must. JC Kentucky Gal, Thanks for picking up the biblical reference. There must be a place on this board for literary appreciation (just watched last night on NetFlix a documentary on Roger Ebert - who really was a pioneer in this kind of postmortem feedback loop and finding the inner meaning of the visual medium). I know I have always veered sharply toward a Rylan-centric view of the show. Guilty. But with the exception of FX's Fargo (I was mentioned by the NY Times by my real name as "successful" at getting to the heart of the show - just lucky a writer picked up my comment); "Justified" is the only show that takes us to another world and puts justice into a regional, albeit typecast, context. Fargo was Minnesota-nice. Its ascents and its flatness were an essential character in order to understand its people's sense of continuity, naivete and limits/accountability of gaming the system. While Justified is Kentucky-fatalism. Its accents and its hills are an essential character in order to understand its people sense of seeing events through religious metaphors, its rugged individualism, the importance of family/land/clan, its unique regional genius, its disdain for carpetbaggers and also its limits/accountability of gaming the system. The fate of all past Justified characters, have navigated through this unique lens, and it has always made sense. That has provided the rules of navigation going into the finale season. At the end of the day, the fate of the "Big Three", should be self-evident based on how they have navigated this unique lens and rules of navigation. As long as that happens, I believe the show at its ending - regardless of the permutations possible - will be true to itself and a success. JC |
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Post by ripetebook on Apr 11, 2015 16:57:46 GMT -6
At one time Timothy in Rolling Stone mentioned a Justified movie. They have a story...him back in Miami! The cartel still exists. Dan grant will be his boss. He will have Winona and Willa and still be Raylan. They could move Duffy south! They could create some new...okay I am grasping..he is unemployed! He has college to cover for three! And if Yost is in...well we know timothy gets to be that pain in the ass he loves to be. Yost and olyphant are dynamic together. And FX will need "fearless" programs. Just an idea!!!!!!
Oops the Masters just got exciting...I am a die hard Tiger fan and think his return shows promise!
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