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Post by ripetebook on Mar 23, 2015 17:42:49 GMT -6
After making the remark that Raylan does not trust or need it I now wonder...if his actions get results in the case but are borderline rule breaker...if Art or Rachel turn on him...then Boyd does whatever to Ava or...zachiriah or maybe limehouse it would make him fugitive number one in both the marshals and whoever seeks vengeance? Any fears for say...Tim! That would set Raylan off. Art I think is safe...another bullet would be overkill. But sniper boy is another option...and if Boyd is the shooter...another Raylan reason to "put Boyd down"
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exdusm
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Post by exdusm on Mar 24, 2015 20:13:53 GMT -6
wkw99 and mondayschild, thank you both so much for the kind and supportive words. They are very much appreciated. Mondayschild, I’m sure you did the very best possible under the circumstances you were dealt at the time. I hope I can as well, but my experience over Christmas gave me a preview of the challenges.
The wireless service in my building is being upgraded and I have not been able to connect onto the internet or, when I finally get connected, I get immediately knocked off. It is so infuriating, especially with my computer acting crazy. I called and was told service will not be stable until next week. Sure,fine. I will no longer be here next week, I told customer service. I see that the wifi router has been replaced on my side of the building this evening. Let’s see how that works. I hope I am able to watch Justified on Amazon come the wee hours of the morning. I am composing this in Word and then we’ll see if I can stay connected long enough to do a drive-by post.
I wanted to remark on a few things, but I’ve forgotten some of what was on my mind. I may revisit them later. I am in panic mode now. Moving day in 3 days and my place still looks like a hurricane hit. Need more time!! No time to visit a few of my favorite haunts before I leave the city.
It may mean nothing at all (as far as the writers’ intent), but I am still bothered by Markham’s statement that he did not know any Givens, referring to the time he was around when Boyd was a child. Whazzupwiththat? How could he not know of Arlo at least? Was he trying to mess with Raylan with what seems to be a weak attempt at disavowing any type of involvement with Arlo and/or Frances? Is Frances’ death somehow related to whatever might have been going on back then? Does Limehouse know something about this?
Just a note to clarify something. Anti-hero does not mean the opposite of hero. An anti-hero is a type of hero. The mix of dark and light in an anti-hero can range from the classic hero all the way to the nearly all dark. The opposite of the hero types is the villain. A villain may at one time have been a hero. Anti-hero refers to a flawed hero, who-characteristically- may be described as wounded, someone who keeps his/her emotions closed or walled off, does not let anyone get close. The anti-hero may live on the fringes or operate in an unconventional manner in the performance of work or duty.
Raylan has tainted so many cases, that it is hard to imagine any case being successfully adjudicated. The only one who may end up in jail might be Raylan, looking at Winona and his baby through reinforced glass. I doubt if the writers will revisit that unfortunate Nicky Augustine plot fiasco, but there is still time for something else to go wrong. Raylan could still cross the line in his handling of witnesses and/or CI or with evidence.
The hero/anti-hero hopefully has transformative experiences and encounters which lead more towards more light, such as allowing love in or letting go of something in the past. There is no guarantee of survival or a happy ending. The charismatic villain may through some act reveal some of the light that was lost. The villain and the hero both can have that redemptive act. Elmore Leonard’s 3:10 to Yuma is a prime example of a tale of redemption. Wade was no less of a villain-psychopath in the end, but his redemptive act was restorative to the family and town of Dan Evans, with whom wade had developed a complex relationship. Speaking of transformative experiences, the hero/anti-hero usually must undergo some entry or descent into 'The Cave' to face his/her demons and him/herself. I like how Justified did this with Raylan entering The Shed. Classy, classic and well done (the scene, not Raylan). Similar to Luke Skywalker going into the cave. Which reminds me that the eeeevil villain Darth Vader had his redemptive act as he lay mortally wounded; just words, but he was able to get all sparkly and smiley and transcendent to join with Yoda and Obi-Wan.
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Post by mondayschild on Mar 24, 2015 21:47:05 GMT -6
exdusm, awesome description of the "anti-hero." What I love about you is that you can go so deep with your analysis.I loved reading your post, and I too fear for Raylan. There have been so many set-ups and double crosses this season. We expect this of the criminals, but the marshals are held to a different standard. The problem is, Raylan may get his man but still be held accountable for doing it outside of the parameters of the law. You will know more about how this works than the rest of us. That being said, we were warned through the various "teasers," of many unexpected twists and turns in this latest episode. What we got was Mikey turning the tables on Duffy, Boyd finally making the big score and ratting out Kathryn to Avery, and then Ava stealing the money and shooting Boyd. I always thought that she might be the one to take him down, and she has a shot at escaping for a little while with the fake ID provided by Limehouse. But Boyd may not be dead. I don't think he is. Will Raylan call the ambulance? And what about Boon? He is a loose cannon, and we see him in a face-off with Raylan in the preview for the next episode. I have no fear that Raylan can best him, but I still have worries about Raylan's future.
Prior to Ava's shooting of Boyd, I thought that Raylan was being very hard on her. He had put her in a terrible place and was less than supportive. He and Vasquez made her jump through impossible hoops to get the goods on Boyd and discarded a lot of the evidence that she got for them. For instance, Dewey is MIA and she has found his bloody necklace. Not relevant. All of the tips she has given them. Not enough. They keep threatening her with going back to jail. And lately, Boyd has questioned her as well. Ava reminds me of and old girdle. (You older ladies will remember girdles. Restrictive, sometimes painful, but necessary for what we thought we should be. After a while, they get stretched out and fail us.In the end, I gave up on them as I'm sure you did, too.) In the end, I'm not sure I can fault Ava for trying to get away. She put her eggs in the baskets of the men she thought would be her salvation and they have all let her down. Forget the fact that women should not have do this. She is old school, not well educated and not self-assured. She has relied on the men in her life and they have let her down. But she can be tough when she is angry, and she is angry now.
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Post by mare27 on Mar 24, 2015 23:01:46 GMT -6
... But Boyd may not be dead. I don't think he is. Will Raylan call the ambulance? And what about Boon? He is a loose cannon, and we see him in a face-off with Raylan in the preview for the next episode. I have no fear that Raylan can best him, but I still have worries about Raylan's future. Prior to Ava's shooting of Boyd, I thought that Raylan was being very hard on her. He had put her in a terrible place and was less than supportive. He and Vasquez made her jump through impossible hoops to get the goods on Boyd and discarded a lot of the evidence that she got for them. For instance, Dewey is MIA and she has found his bloody necklace. Not relevant. All of the tips she has given them. Not enough. They keep threatening her with going back to jail. And lately, Boyd has questioned her as well. Ava reminds me of and old girdle. (You older ladies will remember girdles. Restrictive, sometimes painful, but necessary for what we thought we should be. After a while, they get stretched out and fail us.In the end, I gave up on them as I'm sure you did, too.) In the end, I'm not sure I can fault Ava for trying to get away. She put her eggs in the baskets of the men she thought would be her salvation and they have all let her down. Forget the fact that women should not have do this. She is old school, not well educated and not self-assured. She has relied on the men in her life and they have let her down. But she can be tough when she is angry, and she is angry now.
No Boyd is not dead, he is shown in a hospital bed talking to Raylan, in the preview.
I also think Raylan was hard on Ava all along, but coming to her with the news about Vasquez was sort of bold and brave of him...he was warning her and giving her a(small) chance to act for herself. He didn't want her to end up back in jail, in the end...it was risky to tell her about Vasquez and maybe that is what gets him in trouble, along with not trying to stop her from driving away...would it have been easy for him to shoot (to stop) her?...or did he avoid shooting her cause he really does care about what happens to her and his role in her situation?
I have to think about this some more...
what happens next with Katherine and Avery? he had a smile on his face..What about mike and Duffy? Mike's message is sitting on Katherine's phone...realistically, where could Ava go, seeing she stopped to see her uncle...where they won't find her, money or not...how will she get on a plane or train with those big heavy bags of cash, they'll be looking for Boyd's truck...? Once again, no plan.
I still think Dewey's demise will play in this some how...and the creepy Boon, don't care about him, but I assume a showdown with Raylan is coming...Boon must be put down so we can get on with the ending...hard to turn this all off...got to sleep, more tomorrow...wow!
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Post by mondayschild on Mar 24, 2015 23:19:03 GMT -6
mare, Dewey has to come into this. He has been a beloved character despite his being an idiot. Markham and Katherine? I quote again that famous saying: "There is no honor among thieves." And I was just waiting for Raylan to shoot out Ava's tires. Why didn't he? We know Boon will come to a bad end, but how? Only the writers know.We can guess all we want. It is up to them. I am very hsppy with what they have been doing so far.
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Post by wkw99 on Mar 25, 2015 4:49:39 GMT -6
Ah, Monday, but now we have SPANX. And I agree, exdusm...your posts are always enlightening.
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 25, 2015 10:42:47 GMT -6
I think Boyd his the money and again Ava is screwed. She goes to her uncle...was that the plan? There is some curious something there!
Dewey is dead! Carl and earl are in jail thanks to Boyd. So Carl is the big bad witness and how to get out of jail...rat out Boyd!!!!!!
I almost feel sorry for Duffy. He is in deep no matter. Bea contest as to who kills him.
And the unknown....Raylan! Can he really kill fugitive Ava? Will he get finally to arrest boyd? Three more episodes!¡!
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Post by mondayschild on Mar 25, 2015 11:32:15 GMT -6
I missed the part of the preview with Boyd in the hospital. Had changed the station for a second or two. I do that during the commercials because there are SO darn many of them. That will teach me!I have this on my DVR and will watch again.
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