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Post by wkw99 on Mar 15, 2015 8:27:03 GMT -6
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 15, 2015 11:06:56 GMT -6
Loretta is back!!!!! Had a feeling she would. Owning all the Bennett land and purchased using Bennett cash..just love her smarts. Fast forward ten years and she is the queen of Harlan..at the very least!!!
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Post by weegieburd on Mar 17, 2015 2:24:30 GMT -6
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Post by wkw99 on Mar 17, 2015 3:50:06 GMT -6
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 17, 2015 11:18:51 GMT -6
Thank you both for the teasers. Sounds like another do not miss even one second. And likely another post worthy episode!!!!!
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Post by motorcitymade on Mar 17, 2015 19:47:56 GMT -6
Only Mags Bennett can take control of a town meeting! And Of course Boyd can take control of a polital debate.....
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 17, 2015 21:58:59 GMT -6
Holy sh..!!!! We were all in the ballpark but no one but the genius writers nailed it. Wynn was the rat and CI but not for Vasquez...for Simon Poole. How darn cool was that? Would have been a super partnership had mags lived and Loretta had been her daughter! That is one brave smart cookie!!!! And Boyd killed zachiriah and Ava isn't okay about it. She is more in Raylan's corner than Boyds. That was fun watching Art work with Raylan...like Raylan. So what do you all think?  |
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Post by mare27 on Mar 17, 2015 22:38:25 GMT -6
Holy sh..!!!! We were all in the ballpark but no one but the genius writers nailed it. Wynn was the rat and CI but not for Vasquez...for Simon Poole. How darn cool was that? Would have been a super partnership had mags lived and Loretta had been her daughter! That is one brave smart cookie!!!! And Boyd killed zachiriah and Ava isn't okay about it. She is more in Raylan's corner than Boyds. That was fun watching Art work with Raylan...like Raylan. So what do you all think?
Like I said last week, I have given up on trying to guess where the writers will take us...
Never expected to see Loretta like this!
Never expected that Zachariah would attempt to kill Boyd like he did and that the whole explosion under the bank building would just fail.
Did not like that creepy guy in Loretta's house and I guess we see more of him next week...too late to add new characters, I keep saying. I don't care about new characters!
Loretta ending up with Arlo's old place...that's a twist. But it may not happen after all. I fear for Loretta, is she smart enough to be safe from Avery and Kathryn? Yet, we care about her and want her to be safe.
She did sort of channel Mags at the big coal company meeting, didn't she?
Had to laugh at Earl telling Raylan, I'll go piss and you'll be gone when I get back...is he as dumb as he seems when he is speaking to a US Marshal?
Ava still playing both sides...Boyd getting more desperate...Rachel taking out her frustration on Raylan...was it something he said? she is a broken record, bitch, bitch bitch...Raylan still thinks all the bad guys are where he wants them, so he says.
I enjoyed it tonight! would have liked to see Raylan get a phone call about willa's dr appt...don't leave that hangin'!
Favorite line...Art, upon seeing an almost nude Duffy in the tanning bad, "Now there's something high on the list of things I wish I had never seen..."or words to that effect.
Thats what I said a few episodes ago, Can't unsee that!
Can't wait to see what's next! What do you all think?
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Post by wkw99 on Mar 18, 2015 4:13:25 GMT -6
Well, you heard it here first folks....Wynn Duffy is the rat. I love it when I'm right.  'book...I knew if he was the CI, it wasn't for Vasquez. Vasquez was an underling when Grady Hale went to prison. I just didn't keep his boss's name in my head. It figures that it's Duffy. He has the most clear goal of anyone on Justified: Survive at any cost. He's a cockroach, and they'll survive us all. The only way Duffy goes out is if Mikey takes him out. The exchange between Art, Raylan, and the aforementioned Mr. Duffy in the hotel room was classic Justified. "You're supposed to be the grown-up!" I had to rewind because I missed the next part laughing. Art and Raylan, tag-teaming. It's been awhile since we've seen that. Poor Mikey. He has a moral compass. A skewed one, to be sure, but still. Kathryn Hale is a cold-blooded killer. Yikes. I have new respect for Mary Steenburgen's acting skills. Holy crap that woman scares the bejeezus out of me. Loretta. I keep telling myself that Elmore wouldn't kill Loretta, so neither will the writers. Please. Loved all her scenes. I really look foreword to Kaitlin Deaver's career...as soon as Tim Allen's show is cancelled. The exchange between she and Raylan was the best. So far in the last two weeks we've had Raylan compared to Boyd, Ava, and now Loretta, all folks on the other side of the law. It's amazing that he held his equilibrium. Of course, he's setting Ava up to go back to prison as a co-conspirator one minute, and complimenting her on her dress the next. Asshole. And where was Tim at Markham's little shindig? He should've been there making wry observations. Any scene is improved by Tim observing it. The scene in the mine had my heart beating a mile a minute and my palms sweating. Yes, I KNOW that they are not going to kill Boyd Crowder in the fifth to last episode, so even greater kudos to them for making me think, just for a few moments, that they might. And kudos to Walton Goggins for selling it. *slow hand clap* Boyd accusing Ava of having something to do with Zachariah's plot and coming at her...I think she's done with him. And, if she finds out Raylan is setting her up to go back to prison, well, if she doesn't already know she's on her own.... Whew. What an episode. Must watch again. Looking foreword to everyone else's comments in the meantime. postscript...I can't help but wonder if Raylan would've referenced the Icky Shuffle if Icky Woods hadn't just starred in those idiotic commercials? I guess we'll never know. www.yahoo.com/tv/justified-burn-recap-postmortem-113884483550.html |
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 18, 2015 6:09:51 GMT -6
All,
More later.
But I said before that WD, Jere Burns, being a third wheel, wasn't enough. I also saw him as a CI, That's where I got it right.
What I didn't get right, was he had been (a) a CI 15 years ago and the snitch, (b) the writers putting a statue of limitations on his deal, and (c) using his compromised situation with Hale and Markham to turn him again.
Other stray observations
Boyd is about had it with Ava. Logically the show will try to keep her on a tightrope until the end. But in Boyd's mind, after last night, Ava is expendable. And I expect him to feed Ava b.s from now on. There is no love there anymore. How many times has Boyd questioned her loyalties, but they kissed and make up? A lot. But it didn't happen last night. He coldly walked out and Ava's face showed "a love the ages" is over.
Boyd showing he is nice to Loretta with Ava in the beginning of the episode was offset by his harshness with her at the end.
Boyd's weak spot isn't Ava. It's money and thinking he can buy/manipulate people regardless of their characters. Of course Zachariah didn't kill Boyd last night. But he almost did. And that showed conclusively that Boyd has a blind spot.
Boyd is down to one last chance. Stealing Markham's money when he moves it. There is no future - even working as muscle for Loretta - for Boyd in Harlan. The law is closing in on him. It's either a fugitive with $50 to $100K or a $10 million.
I guess we are supposed to see Markham's Colorado quick shooter as THE threat to Rylan. IMO that's just inserting tension to sow the seeds of doubt. As good of a shot as he is, I simply can't fathom some new dip sh%t character, standing at the end, and Rylan dead.
JC
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Post by siss13 on Mar 18, 2015 6:40:37 GMT -6
Holy sh..!!!! We were all in the ballpark but no one but the genius writers nailed it. Wynn was the rat and CI but not for Vasquez...for Simon Poole. How darn cool was that? Would have been a super partnership had mags lived and Loretta had been her daughter! That is one brave smart cookie!!!! And Boyd killed zachiriah and Ava isn't okay about it. She is more in Raylan's corner than Boyds. That was fun watching Art work with Raylan...like Raylan. So what do you all think? Did Zachariah actually die? How did he not get out after clocking Boyd and chaining him down? Yost has said in the past , if you don't see them die...Nice twist with Wynn working with Poole. Can't wait to see how that plays out with Katherine, if and when she finds out. She is straight up gangsta. I would not be surprised if Katherine and Loretta are the women running Harlan after the dust clears. Boyd and Ava have no choice but to go on the run now, together or separate. Walton was amazing in the mine scene, just amazing. This character will be interesting. Avery's team is gone. He needs muscle. I think he was brought in at the last minute for a reason only the writers are privy to. Somehow I think he'll engage Raylan in one of his final gunslinger show downs. Hopefully Raylan will out draw his fan. I think I've said this before, but I think if Raylan or Boyd dies, it will not be by the others hand. I'm kind of worried about the new gunslinger in town. Another great episode. But there really has not been a bad episode this season, at least not in my opinion. |
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 18, 2015 7:11:37 GMT -6
Holy sh..!!!! We were all in the ballpark but no one but the genius writers nailed it. Wynn was the rat and CI but not for Vasquez...for Simon Poole. How darn cool was that? Would have been a super partnership had mags lived and Loretta had been her daughter! That is one brave smart cookie!!!! And Boyd killed zachiriah and Ava isn't okay about it. She is more in Raylan's corner than Boyds. That was fun watching Art work with Raylan...like Raylan. So what do you all think? Did Zachariah actually die? How did he not get out after clocking Boyd and chaining him down? Yost has said in the past , if you don't see them die...Nice twist with Wynn working with Poole. Can't wait to see how that plays out with Katherine, if and when she finds out. She is straight up gangsta. I would not be surprised if Katherine and Loretta are the women running Harlan after the dust clears. Boyd and Ava have no choice but to go on the run now, together or separate. Walton was amazing in the mine scene, just amazing. This character will be interesting. Avery's team is gone. He needs muscle. I think he was brought in at the last minute for a reason only the writers are privy to. Somehow I think he'll engage Raylan in one of his final gunslinger show downs. Hopefully Raylan will out draw his fan. I think I've said this before, but I think if Raylan or Boyd dies, it will not be by the others hand. I'm kind of worried about the new gunslinger in town. Another great episode. But there really has not been a bad episode this season, at least not in my opinion. |
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 18, 2015 7:21:23 GMT -6
"Boyd is about had it with Ava. Logically the show will try to keep her on a tightrope until the end. But in Boyd's mind, after last night, Ava is expendable. And I EXPECT HIM TO FEED AVA BS FROM NOW ON. There is no love there anymore. How many times has Boyd questioned her loyalties, but they kissed and make up? A lot. But it didn't happen last night. He coldly walked out and Ava's face showed "a love the ages" is over".
Finally the previews to E10 was posted.
Boyd isn't going to rush out and rob Markham like he told Ava. Ava must have reached out the Rylan. It was BS. The preview shows Rylan lamenting that Boyd is too smart.
In Boyd's head, Ava's only purpose, is to feed Rylan BS. I don't care if there is more kiss and make up. Boyd is going to try and use everyone for his favorite person: Boyd. And me thinks, all the people he is using, including his own henchman and AM/CH/WD, will ultimately lead to his demise. Thus foretold in last night's biblical foreshadowing of Zachariah.
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 18, 2015 10:57:09 GMT -6
I have questions??? Wynn was the rat...got that! But if he killed Poole then Art would arrest him. So who blew Poole's brains out??? Katherine? Avery? ? Mikey? ? Agree that zachiriah may in fact be alive...just not for long. Ava was shaken by Boyd's responses and killing her uncle. Raylan and his land..will he never get rid of it? I thought he made a deal with Markham but nope. Then with Loretta til she aligned with Boyd. Heck he jokingly offered it to Mr. Mullen...loved that one. I think Rachel is in over her head as chief and by series end may gladly see Art return as the chief deputy. Tim and Rachel were guarding the tunnel...that is why Tim was not at the party. That and it was for the people of Harlan. That covers enough for now! Great episode...again |
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 18, 2015 12:31:26 GMT -6
Ripe Hear are my answers as far as I see them  Wynn was the rat on Grady that sent him to trial. The non-vodka drinking guy was who killed Simon Poole, got arrested, and them killed Grady. There was a difference between the rat and the killers. At least that is the story Wynn got away with 15 years ago If Zachariah is dead, that's the least documented death I have ever seen. He ran away. But we know that Wynn and Carl were at the ladder. He is either dead or ran to a safer mine rat hole. Loretta gets his land after she extradites herself from Boyd ... is the only viable option. Rachel as a character is over her head. Erica Tazel was effectively sidelined in a clever way. This allowed Rylan and Tim to dominate action in the field. And a way to bring Art and Rylan to get back to working together. The reunion is so subtle, that after you see again, they are working as a trusted team. Bingo on Tim. Great observation RIPE. JC |
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 18, 2015 12:31:37 GMT -6
Ripe Hear are my answers as far as I see them Wynn was the rat on Grady that sent him to trial. The non-vodka drinking guy was who killed Simon Poole, got arrested, and them killed Grady. There was a difference between the rat and the killers. At least that is the story Wynn got away with 15 years ago If Zachariah is dead, that's the least documented death I have ever seen. He ran away. But we know that Wynn and Carl were at the ladder. He is either dead or ran to a safer mine rat hole. Loretta gets his land after she extradites herself from Boyd ... is the only viable option. Rachel as a character is over her head. Erica Tazel was effectively sidelined in a clever way. This allowed Rylan and Tim to dominate action in the field. And a way to bring Art and Rylan to get back to working together. The reunion is so subtle, that after you see again, they are working as a trusted team. Bingo on Tim. Great observation RIPE. JC |
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 18, 2015 13:27:56 GMT -6
Raylan did not arrest Zach but made it clear that did not mean he was clear. Thinking Raylan realizes Boyd kills his crew and Zach is crew as far as Raylan sees.
If Boyd dies or is imprisoned does that clear Loretta which allows her to buy Raylan's land? The mentioning repeatedly of the land makes me wonder? Could Raylan actually stay in Harlan? Winona said she was willing and that would be a super twist!!! Making Kentucky a safe place..reward for a job well done!!!!!
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 18, 2015 15:30:54 GMT -6
Ripe,
You are right Rylan didn't arrest Zachariah. But no confirmed death of Zach or crew. While it's plausible to pin Boyd with the death of Zach if he was killed - leaving Boyd's only defense being his conspirator tried to kill him - it's still felony murder either way; I am not sure that's the most satisfying way to get Boyd to jail.
As to Rylan making it out of the show alive, having him raising a family in a thriving weed town of Harlan makes less sense than him going back to work for Dan in Miami. Lexington maybe. But Art will not be the chief. But I think the last place he takes his white horse is into Arlo's house and barn.
Just my two cents.
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 18, 2015 18:36:50 GMT -6
I think Zach is alive but won't be for long. And my bet his body won't be found. Raylan will suspect but with no body and no knowledge that Zach did try to kill Boyd...our Boyd gets away again. But Ava could tell Raylan of her fears. But the missing body thing could help in the discovery of whatever happened to Dewey. That is still an issue.
I don't see Raylan staying in Kentucky...I just find all the talk of his land not being able to be sold...ironic...strange...curious.
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 18, 2015 18:56:30 GMT -6
Ripe, Thanks for even participating. It's one thing to hear the banal crap on other boards (like "I was scared for Boyd being chained" - as if Boyd was going to get killed in E9 and was the good guy); but this board has been dead all day? ? Anyways thanks for playing today. In the air tomorrow. I hope the rest of our friends jump in when I land. JC |
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Post by wkw99 on Mar 18, 2015 19:40:09 GMT -6
Hey JC....some of us have to work. (I know you work, too, but I bet no one monitors your internet use.) I have more to say, but it's going to have to wait until tomorrow morning. The little rascals wore me out today. |
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 19, 2015 9:02:52 GMT -6
I sadly have way too much time. I also think we have bright intuitive posters and this episode floored more than one. Trust me they will be here to explore it in detail. It does bother me that FX is pushing hard on Americans when in fact their viewers number less than a million and much as I love billy crystal..that show looks like a stinker. We got no promo compared to those two....and we are getting good viewership...not great but good. I know I need a life.
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Post by mondayschild on Mar 19, 2015 14:37:52 GMT -6
Oh, book. Those same words could have just as easily come out of my mouth. Actually, I am very busy right now and the new snow storm that's coming is throwing a monkey's wrench into a big project I've been working on with the youth group at my church. But the almost constant snow and ice this winter kept me housebound a great deal. I had a pretty bad case of seasonal affective disorder, I think. And I thought it was finally over. Silly me. Anyway, I totally agree with your post, except that I do watch The Americans. It's really very good.
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Post by justifiedceo on Mar 19, 2015 15:10:29 GMT -6
Just landed in England.
I do know that my internet use is not monitored.
My only question really was .... in comparison to last week for example ... Is it slow because (a) this board doesn't pick up until later in the week and/or (b) were people non-plussed with this episode.
You can be a CEO and travel around the world. Personally, my entire goal in the life was to be a professor, not a CEO. But I am - just speaking for me - craving the social aspect of watching my favorite show. For example I was doing the same thing I do today, during the Sapranos, a decade ago. But that show was water-cooler talk everywhere I went.
Justified? Bad review message boards. No televised recap. No buzz. I don't know anyone but my wife - who is too busy as the town's theatre director (Juliard-trained) and me never being home - to watch it together often.
Hence .... in the "get a life" category - all of you - besides the drudgery of work - are more important to me than you might think
JC
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Post by ripetebook on Mar 19, 2015 15:26:34 GMT -6
Just got my new TV guide and both of the next episodes are about Raylan putting the careers of his fellow marshals in jeopardy. OMG...what could that mean? Maybe my Raylan soft spot blinds me but I see him just being driven to get Boyd. Is it Markham and the reward? It worked!!!! It is driving Boyd! And it got walker put down! His pushing is now shared by Art...loved them letting that rat Duffy help them! But who killed Simon Poole? That seems essential factor? And since only we know...where is Dewey? And CEO...the concept of bingeing started by shows like Justified!!!! I could never last a whole season before seeing Raylan!!!!! But I also can spend a weekend bingeing on repeats of the show! Season five was spent in various hospitals and I came home and settled in and watched all of season five! And loved it. |
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