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Post by clovergirl on Sept 18, 2011 9:18:34 GMT -6
I agree, wkw, in that it's just the way they talk to each other, and I don't see it as being mean-spirited at all. Hell, if sarcastic ball-busting conversations were an indication of a bad marriage, mine of 37 years would be in deep trouble, lol. We've always talked that way though. It's kind of our inside joke, in a way. We both have good senses of humor and, let's face it, it's fun, lol. Of course some people cross the line between bantering and attacking and then it's a problem, especially in front of other people. That's just rude, mean and uncomfortable for others.
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Post by wkw99 on Sept 18, 2011 15:40:01 GMT -6
Yeah, I was hesitant to say so, but my hubby and I tend to be sarcastic and ball-busting with each other, too. 'Asshole' is basically an affectionate term in our house. LOL. We spar and then we make each other laugh. I love him to pieces. Most of our friends are that way, too...maybe it's an age related thing?
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Post by mondayschild on Sept 18, 2011 22:27:51 GMT -6
Giselle, this is just my point.Something is wrong in their relationship. They may love each other, but there is a compatibility problem. They divorced before, and if they remarry, it could very easily happen again. I'm not putting the blame on either one. They both are somewhat screwed up and I agree that this is due to their past experiences. Winona says to Raylan in the car on the way to the lawyer's office that perhaps they haven't changed after all. It seems that way to me. Raylan is the one who was left, so he need s to reconnect with her for closure. He wants to fix what went wrong, but is he capable? I'm not sure. When he went to Miami, she didn't even give it a try. And in her defense, he didn't try to win her back from Gary at that point either. This shows the fact that they were emotionally distanced from each other at that point. They just didn't know how to make it anymore. They reconnect by having spectacular sex. This can be a great impetus for going on and seeking a reconciliation, but it just won't work if they haven't both changed.
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Post by wkw99 on Sept 19, 2011 3:45:14 GMT -6
Well, they may BOTH try harder with a child involved. And there is love there, a lot of it. Watch the scene in 'Fathers and Sons' again, monday. It's shot completely differently than his scenes with Ava. What we're supposed to take away from that, I believe, is that with Ava it was about sex (and being lonely and wanting to connect to someone) but with he and Winona, it's about love. They love each other. She comes to him because she couldn't stay away from him any longer. They're being reminded of the things that drew them to each other in the first place. Whether that, and a baby, are enough to make it work for awhile, we'll have to wait and see. I have the feeling though, that they'll never be able to leave those feelings behind and really move on. I've known couples like that. My mom and dad had friends who divorced when I was a kid, but used to take 'family' vacations together 'for the kids sakes' . I remember how my dad used to laugh about that. They ended up back together more than once. I don't know what happened, in the long run, (they'd be in their 70's now), because they moved and we lost touch. I easily can see that happening with our two lovebirds. Heck, there might even be a fanfic in there.
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Post by giselle001 on Sept 19, 2011 8:46:19 GMT -6
mondayschild, I see your point. I got that too when they were in the car and both seem still the same. Are they will to change it seems like they are trying to make the effort to. When he was making the move to Miami, I don't believe he asked her how she felt about it or they even talked about it. It was I have to transfer and that was that. They have their problems for sure but seen willing to work through them now more than before because they have admitted they still love one another and always have. Now with a baby on the way changes couples,well them hopefully.
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