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Post by wkw99 on Jul 11, 2013 3:31:17 GMT -6
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That's it! I knew it was something like that, but I couldn't find the interview. Thanks, okey!
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Post by Dolphin on Jul 11, 2013 3:49:43 GMT -6
From what I gather you don't just go from Deputy US Marshal to Chief Deputy US Marshal. The Titles I've found are: (source Wikipedia) Director of the United States Marshals Service: originally titled the Chief United States Marshal, top executive of the entire US Marshals Service.[13] United States Marshal: for the top executive Marshals Service position (political appointment) in a federal judicial district. Chief Deputy United States Marshal: the senior career manager for the federal judicial district who is responsible for management of the Marshals office and staff. Supervisory Deputy United States Marshal: for positions in the Marshals Service responsible for the supervision of three or more deputy U.S. marshals and clerks. (Guessing this will be Raylan's position in season 5.) Deputy United States Marshal: for all nonsupervisory positions classifiable to this series. Glad the writers are back at it. Just read an article with Jacob Pitts and David Meunier where they both say they do in fact start shooting in October. www.tvweb.com/news/exclusive-jacob-pitts-and-david-meunier-talk-dewey-crowe-and-justified-season-5Good research, Okey! LOL But it would happen over Rachel's dead body ... Raylan supervising Rachel and Tim (and 1 new deputy marshal). I honestly believe she would quit.
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Post by wkw99 on Jul 11, 2013 4:46:45 GMT -6
From what I gather you don't just go from Deputy US Marshal to Chief Deputy US Marshal. The Titles I've found are: (source Wikipedia) Director of the United States Marshals Service: originally titled the Chief United States Marshal, top executive of the entire US Marshals Service.[13] United States Marshal: for the top executive Marshals Service position (political appointment) in a federal judicial district. Chief Deputy United States Marshal: the senior career manager for the federal judicial district who is responsible for management of the Marshals office and staff. Supervisory Deputy United States Marshal: for positions in the Marshals Service responsible for the supervision of three or more deputy U.S. marshals and clerks. (Guessing this will be Raylan's position in season 5.) Deputy United States Marshal: for all nonsupervisory positions classifiable to this series. Glad the writers are back at it. Just read an article with Jacob Pitts and David Meunier where they both say they do in fact start shooting in October. www.tvweb.com/news/exclusive-jacob-pitts-and-david-meunier-talk-dewey-crowe-and-justified-season-5Good research, Okey! LOL But it would happen over Rachel's dead body ... Raylan supervising Rachel and Tim (and 1 new deputy marshal). I honestly believe she would quit. Oh, but it would be humorous. LOL. I'm sure Rachel might resent it, but...Raylan has been in the service longer and he's MALE so she probably half-expects him to get promoted before her anyway, even with his record. If he does get the job, I don't think she'd quit, but she might redouble her efforts to show them they made a mistake.
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Post by okeydokey on Jul 11, 2013 9:06:54 GMT -6
Good research, Okey! LOL But it would happen over Rachel's dead body ... Raylan supervising Rachel and Tim (and 1 new deputy marshal). I honestly believe she would quit. Maybe the new deputy marshal would be Dunlop. He seems to be the Jerry Gergich of the office, he's been there since season 1, plus he's really been the only other marshal with a speaking role. I thought it was hilarious how happy he was that Raylan "remembered" his birthday.
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Post by Dolphin on Jul 11, 2013 11:04:40 GMT -6
Good research, Okey! LOL But it would happen over Rachel's dead body ... Raylan supervising Rachel and Tim (and 1 new deputy marshal). I honestly believe she would quit. Maybe the new deputy marshal would be Dunlop. He seems to be the Jerry Gergich of the office, he's been there since season 1, plus he's really been the only other marshal with a speaking role. I thought it was hilarious how happy he was that Raylan "remembered" his birthday. OMGosh. Where have I been? Who is this Dunlop? I seriously have spaced over him. That would be so cool. He'd inherit all the snitches!!
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Post by kmmo on Jul 11, 2013 12:36:23 GMT -6
Thanks for the info, Okeydokey. So Raylan would supervise other marshalls,(we assume Rachel and Tim). Oh my, that could get interesting. Yeah, Rachel's not going to like that. I love the banter between Tim and Raylan. Hopefully that wouldn't change. I seem to vaguely remember Dunlop. He's occasionally around the periphery of the action. It's hard to concentrate on anything else when Raylan's in the room.
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Post by okeydokey on Jul 11, 2013 12:49:40 GMT -6
Maybe the new deputy marshal would be Dunlop. He seems to be the Jerry Gergich of the office, he's been there since season 1, plus he's really been the only other marshal with a speaking role. I thought it was hilarious how happy he was that Raylan "remembered" his birthday. OMGosh. Where have I been? Who is this Dunlop? I seriously have spaced over him. That would be so cool. He'd inherit all the snitches!! Dolphin, His name is Nelson Dunlop and he's the one who Raylan got in trouble for tricking him into taking Hunter Moseley on the prison tranport after he killed Arlo. His desk is on the other side of Rachel's. This is the only pic I can find of him on the show:
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Post by Dolphin on Jul 11, 2013 13:28:30 GMT -6
OMGosh. Where have I been? Who is this Dunlop? I seriously have spaced over him. That would be so cool. He'd inherit all the snitches!! Dolphin, His name is Nelson Dunlop and he's the one who Raylan got in trouble for tricking him into taking Hunter Moseley on the prison tranport after he killed Arlo. His desk is on the other side of Rachel's. This is the only pic I can find of him on the show: Gah, pic didn't come through. I could check out the episode. Thanks!!
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Post by motorcitymade on Jul 11, 2013 21:33:00 GMT -6
He's also the Marshal who chastised Raylan for not having his phone on in S3 e2 while Raylan was with Winona at the sonogram. He "introduces" Raylan to Karen not-Sisco Goodall as Raylan comes into the Marshal's office.
He was also the decoy Raylan in the "Decoy" episode in S4 when Tim gutterson has his standoff with Colton via telephone on the roadside
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Post by Dolphin on Jul 11, 2013 23:56:40 GMT -6
He's also the Marshal who chastised Raylan for not having his phone on in S3 e2 while Raylan was with Winona at the sonogram. He "introduces" Raylan to Karen not-Sisco Goodall as Raylan comes into the Marshal's office. He was also the decoy Raylan in the "Decoy" episode in S4 when Tim gutterson has his standoff with Colton via telephone on the roadside Ha! I think it's funny I've never paid any attention this guy. I will now!!
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Post by ripetebook on Jul 12, 2013 7:46:41 GMT -6
From that time when he was out in the cold and rain and they had the talk that ended with her threat to sing show tunes...I got the impression Rachel already thinks Raylan may be her boss and she seemed okay with that...so making Raylan a step above them...Tim is more likely not to approve and be more snarkey than ever. Which will be very humorous.....
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Post by weegieburd on Jul 12, 2013 8:46:25 GMT -6
I got that impression too ripetbook. I think she realises that Raylan will most likely be promoted over her and she's more or less OK with that.....but I don't think either of them will give him an easy time.
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Post by ripetebook on Jul 12, 2013 9:21:07 GMT -6
I go back to Rachel's initial (and one of my fav lines ever) to Raylan "good looking white boy with a shitload of swagger" now if she caught that there is some part of the woman who noticed that great walk. I think honestly Rachel has mellowed about Raylan and even respects his skill set. Tim on the other hand loves busting Raylan...go back to his knowing Gary was alive and in Tulsa and not telling Raylan until he could use the info to bust Raylan. Tim is quiet smart...Raylan is instinctively smart...and Rachel...comfortable smart...respects Raylan's Kentucky smarts.
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Post by kmmo on Jul 12, 2013 10:35:36 GMT -6
All this talk has me soooo excited for season 5. It's going to be a long wait.
I've been re-watching some of season 3 this week. I love the sexy banter between Raylan and Winona at the beginning of season 3.
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Post by motorcitymade on Jul 12, 2013 11:13:20 GMT -6
Some folks at IMDB were prognosticating at the end of S4 that Dunlop might be "the mole" that was alluded to as "Theo (Tonin) has ears everywhere".
I was thinking they might stick that on the assistant USDA David Vasquez. I hope it's not Vasquez, 'cause I like Rick Gomez too much to see him as a bad guy. Also Vasquez has been a bit of comic relief and it just doesn't fit.
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Post by ripetebook on Jul 12, 2013 11:29:56 GMT -6
Vasquez no...and Dunlop would be an easy move if they explore that. But with Tonin in Tunisha and Sammi being a "pussy" I think that story is pretty much done. Or...maybe not...with Sammi picking Duffy to run the Heroin trade east of the Mississippi.......we may see Sammi and even some of those Detroit thugs...which leaves that Raylan took "part" in Nicky's demise. I'd like to see Reardon reappear...he seems to get the essense of Raylan...and respect it.I definitely want more Dewey....he is more likely to complete his prison term than Dickie. I see Duffy with Boyd as major players.....and I don't see an easy freedom for Ava. Oh I see getting free but not easy times ahead. I will miss Johnny....I do think he can't return. Leaves Boyd "thugless"
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Post by lbookie on Jul 12, 2013 12:11:14 GMT -6
Ah, I must have read that "whineona" thing somewhere and it crept into my brain! I know next to nothing about NZ besides the fact that she is very beautiful, but I am familiar with the past situation with that insaneo. I still hate her character though. Not the actress- the character. I understand being protective of the actress but the fictional version of her is fair game, IMO.
Winnona has always been my least favorite character. She can never make up her mind on what she wants and she is always punishing Raylan for not being what she wants him to be. Boohoo- people don't change. You either love them for who they are or you leave. Now that there's a kid its much more complicated but they should never have gotten together again. The archetype of a woman trying desperately to change a man is tired, and I'm sick of seeing in real life and in fiction.
Does Raylan need to change? Sure. He's not happy. But no amount of kicking and pouting and leaving and coming back again is going to change him. He and he alone has the power to do so.
And not to mention that whole money thing. THAT was annoying and showed just how stupid and self involved she is.
Ok, maybe the "threw up in my mouth a little" was a bit strong, lol. But I don't find a nurturing instict in a man sexy. But what is sexy doesn't necessarily make for a good relationship. They can be different buckets.
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Post by wkw99 on Jul 12, 2013 12:52:31 GMT -6
Vasquez no...and Dunlop would be an easy move if they explore that. But with Tonin in Tunisha and Sammi being a "pussy" I think that story is pretty much done. Or...maybe not...with Sammi picking Duffy to run the Heroin trade east of the Mississippi.......we may see Sammi and even some of those Detroit thugs...which leaves that Raylan took "part" in Nicky's demise. I'd like to see Reardon reappear...he seems to get the essense of Raylan...and respect it.I definitely want more Dewey....he is more likely to complete his prison term than Dickie. I see Duffy with Boyd as major players.....and I don't see an easy freedom for Ava. Oh I see getting free but not easy times ahead. I will miss Johnny....I do think he can't return. Leaves Boyd "thugless" David Meunier mentioned S5 filming recently, so I'd say it's pretty clear we're going to see Johnny again.
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Post by wkw99 on Jul 12, 2013 13:05:36 GMT -6
That's the point of her character, IMO. Along with Art, she's the voice of reason. She's there to point out that Raylan is going to have to change in order to have any kind of a life outside of his job. He obviously loves her and he obviously wants this baby. His immediate reaction, with no hesitation beyond his surprise, is joy...so...what is he going to do about it? We saw that he wasn't able to follow through on his promise of Glynco...we heard her say that if he was going to change for her he would've done it a long time ago. She didn't kick and scream and pout. She just left, and told him why. She isn't stupid and I would argue that she does know what she wants. She wants a life with Raylan. Enough to have his baby, even when things aren't working between them. Her problem isn't being wishy-washy (IMO) it's wanting something so much that you convince yourself THIS time is different. And there's hope she may yet be right. Where there's love, there's always hope, and it's clear that they love each other.
Raylan doesn't want to be lonely, but he found out just how hollow his relationship with Lindsay was...he's got no blood-family left, he's suspended from the job he loves....I think this baby is going to be a game-changer for him. That's what I watch for...character growth...I don't want to see Raylan in the series finale as the same guy who shot Tommy Bucks in the pilot. If that's the case then he's learned nothing from all that has happened since...and that's not real life. Sure, there are patterns we tend to repeat, but the goal is to find our way to a better place than where we started. I'd like to see Raylan have a bit of happiness, and for him, that's going to include Winona and that baby.
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Post by lbookie on Jul 12, 2013 15:16:42 GMT -6
I think Winona did a lot of kicking and screaming before she left that note for him on the fridge (and how cold was THAT, btw?). She would snipe at him about silly things and was being an all around unpleasant person to live with. I cant remember the episodes or what was being said unfortuntely, but I recall there being several arguments that Raylan and I both got the feeling she was picking fights for no good reason because she wanted him to change, and she was mad he wasn't. That's another thing that people do that bugs the heck out of me. And its not something I consider reasonable. I agree you have something there with the "wanting something so bad you believe it will be different this time". I think that's a better explanation of what I perceived as wishy washy. The "stay then go" act she's pulled a few times. I agree Raylan needs to change. And I also want to see growth. But Raylan will never be a man who could let Loretta die out there in Harlan because its dangerous. I feel like no matter how much Raylan changes, Winona will never be satisfied. Also, I must use the disclaimer that I always prefer my leading males kind of lonely and sexually frustrated. Im not sure why that is..... but I also hated Ava, Lindsey, Jackie, and whoever else he's been banging. Oh wait, I kind of liked the Black Pike lady (blanking on her name). But then again, they didnt get it on and I always he felt a twinge of the proverbial blue balls when she left. Or whatever the middle aged man equivilent of blue balls is. Oooooo, my first debate on a new board. Tricky waters here! Don't hate me!
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Post by wkw99 on Jul 12, 2013 20:04:36 GMT -6
I think Winona did a lot of kicking and screaming before she left that note for him on the fridge (and how cold was THAT, btw?). She would snipe at him about silly things and was being an all around unpleasant person to live with. I cant remember the episodes or what was being said unfortuntely, but I recall there being several arguments that Raylan and I both got the feeling she was picking fights for no good reason because she wanted him to change, and she was mad he wasn't. That's another thing that people do that bugs the heck out of me. And its not something I consider reasonable. I agree you have something there with the "wanting something so bad you believe it will be different this time". I think that's a better explanation of what I perceived as wishy washy. The "stay then go" act she's pulled a few times. I agree Raylan needs to change. And I also want to see growth. But Raylan will never be a man who could let Loretta die out there in Harlan because its dangerous. I feel like no matter how much Raylan changes, Winona will never be satisfied. Also, I must use the disclaimer that I always prefer my leading males kind of lonely and sexually frustrated. Im not sure why that is..... but I also hated Ava, Lindsey, Jackie, and whoever else he's been banging. Oh wait, I kind of liked the Black Pike lady (blanking on her name). But then again, they didnt get it on and I always he felt a twinge of the proverbial blue balls when she left. Or whatever the middle aged man equivilent of blue balls is. Oooooo, my first debate on a new board. Tricky waters here! Don't hate me! No hate! Just agree to disagree. No worries. ;-)
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Post by Dolphin on Jul 12, 2013 20:11:07 GMT -6
I think Winona did a lot of kicking and screaming before she left that note for him on the fridge (and how cold was THAT, btw?). She would snipe at him about silly things and was being an all around unpleasant person to live with. I cant remember the episodes or what was being said unfortuntely, but I recall there being several arguments that Raylan and I both got the feeling she was picking fights for no good reason because she wanted him to change, and she was mad he wasn't. That's another thing that people do that bugs the heck out of me. And its not something I consider reasonable. I agree you have something there with the "wanting something so bad you believe it will be different this time". I think that's a better explanation of what I perceived as wishy washy. The "stay then go" act she's pulled a few times. I agree Raylan needs to change. And I also want to see growth. But Raylan will never be a man who could let Loretta die out there in Harlan because its dangerous. I feel like no matter how much Raylan changes, Winona will never be satisfied. Also, I must use the disclaimer that I always prefer my leading males kind of lonely and sexually frustrated. Im not sure why that is..... but I also hated Ava, Lindsey, Jackie, and whoever else he's been banging. Oh wait, I kind of liked the Black Pike lady (blanking on her name). But then again, they didnt get it on and I always he felt a twinge of the proverbial blue balls when she left. Or whatever the middle aged man equivilent of blue balls is. Oooooo, my first debate on a new board. Tricky waters here! Don't hate me! Healthy debate is good. I think Winona has grown up during the series, as well as Raylan. And a baby is going to make them both grow even more. They are going to have to get their heads out of their respective backsides and actually care about someone else other than themselves or each other. Babies have a miraculous way of doing that. As has been pointed out, 'family' will be re-defined for both of them with the birth of this child, and even more so for Raylan. Unless the writers do something like ... introduce a prospective 'step father' or something like that ... which would not ring true .... I think the writers have to allow the relationship between these two to grow. Plus, we know from Elmore Leonard's books ... they have more than one kid. I know what you mean about male leads having Unresolved Sexual Tension (UST). It's hot! Especially when they finally give in. And very glad to hear Johnny Crowder will return.
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Post by mondayschild on Jul 12, 2013 22:23:34 GMT -6
Everyone knows that I've had my problems with Winona. She and Raylan love each other but that love has been dysfunctional. He forgives her for just about everything, but she drives a harder bargain. I can remember only two occasions when Raylan talked back to her: the scene in the motel room (season 2, I think) when they were arguing. She had been being really snarky to him, but when he came back at her with a crack about knowing a really good realtor, she couldn't take it. He said they could discuss it, but it would not be pretty. He also was quite upset when she took the money. (But he bailed her out anyway.)
Recently,we have seen a kinder and gentler Winona. She has backed him up. (Getting rid of the gun that killed Gary. Standing up to the thugs who held her hostage.) I agree that the baby is going to be the defining factor. I really would like to see them walk off into the sunset at some point and I think becoming a father will cause Raylan to examine his life in a way that nothing else has ever done. My problem with Winona was that she WANTED Raylan, but she never really respected him. That hurt me. He has always loved her and has rarely criticized her. She has loved him and has constantly criticized him because he has not been what she wanted him to be. I have been encouraged by their recent 'rapprochement.' She has seemed to accept that his job sometimes interferes with his life with her ( missed doctor appointments, etc.) And when push came to shove and her life was threatened because of his job, she picked up a gun and helped him.
In other words, they are taking baby steps (no pun intended,) to working things out. Let's face it. They HAVE to. They're having a baby. When they parted, with her going to a far away place, it was a tender, loving parting. There were no recriminations this time. It's a start.
I think most of us would want our significant other to have a safe, smiley face job. There are thousands of women out there who are married to men in law enforcement who worry about them every day. And yet they know that their men are doing a job that most of society values a great deal. At some point, these couples have to come to a way to deal with this. Raylan may be given a promotion that will allow him to be in a safer position. That would help, I'm sure. But, bottom line, they both have to compromise a bit and adjust to reality. I don't think one partner can have his or her own way at the expense of the other.I see Raylan and Winona moving a bit closer to accepting each other's positions, but they have a way to go. Baby Palmolive will play a big part in this. Both will want her to be safe. I 'm not sure how this will all work out. It's up to the writers. But I think they know how we feel and in the end, I don't think we will be left disappointed. At least, I hope not.
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Post by ripetebook on Jul 13, 2013 18:08:30 GMT -6
nothing brings out our opinions mre than Winona and Raylan and it is so good to see the variety of feelings. Yost seemed done with it til that last kiss and the emotional scenes Timothy and Natalie gave us...reminding us of the depth of love and sadness Raylan and Winona share. I have always felt Raylan could forgive her anything so they could be together. He passed on Miami to return to Kentucky for the chance to try again.He forgave the whole Gary banging round 1 and loved her all over again. I think the terse two line note was more than he wanted to ignore. That is when he began to see that loving her was not enough. No anger...just acceptance. It allowed for the kiss with Ava and the bedroom romps with Lindsey...uncomplicated like her but no love or commitment. But what she did said even like didn't always work. No woman will ever be to his heart what Winona is but she must accept his love of the job. He is working to be a better marshal and one mother and daughter can be proud of...he is growing...just not fast enough yet to win over Winona...but she still loves him...and who can blame her...he is afterall a hero..flawed yes, but a hero.
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Post by lbookie on Jul 16, 2013 19:25:10 GMT -6
I know what you mean about male leads having Unresolved Sexual Tension (UST). It's hot! Especially when they finally give in. Yes yes yesyesyesyes!
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